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Phil Fish selling Fez IP and Polyton, leaving industry (again).

#81RanguePosted 8/23/2014 2:06:18 PM
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Rangue posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...

Same could be said in reverse, but either way, it's ignoring the issue to try and play the blame game.


The same could be said in reverse? Ignoring the issue and playing the blame game? That is not an argument, that is a platitude. The ENTIRE issue is about Phil Fish playing the blame game. He is blaming gamers for his decisions. He is doing X because he is mad people said or did Y. People have to accept personal responsibility for their decisions, and stop trying to push things off on others, as Phil Fish constantly does.

He is a laughing stock not because he made a bad game or a baseless vendetta, he is a laughing stock because of the way he acts. People are allowed to comment on the way you act, especially when you are in the public spotlight.


So what?
Stop being such a child.


Herpa Derp, I do not have any argument whatsoever. Even though my first post in this thread said:
DarkZV2Beta posted...
the rampant fish hate is a larger source of drama and garbage than fish himself.
I am totally unable to debate my opinion. I just insist it is correct, and anyone who disagrees I call them a child. Phil Fish needs me defending him. I R GUD POSTR
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#82CDubM84Posted 8/23/2014 2:56:45 PM
Phil Fish has got to be the biggest drama queen I have ever seen, in any industry. You've got to develop a thick skin when you do anything creative or artistic. Unfortunately his never developed past a thin membrane akin to a newly developed fetus.

Good riddance. The industry will do just fine without him.
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#83thatauthorPosted 8/23/2014 2:58:34 PM
CDubM84 posted...
Phil Fish has got to be the biggest drama queen I have ever seen,


wouldn't he be a drama king? he is a guy after all.
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#84CDubM84Posted 8/23/2014 3:00:45 PM
thatauthor posted...
CDubM84 posted...
Phil Fish has got to be the biggest drama queen I have ever seen,


wouldn't he be a drama king? he is a guy after all.


Potato, tomato. Potato, tomato. Valid point, however.
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#85MechalonPosted 8/23/2014 3:18:49 PM
This whole thing is just a mess. Is Phil Fish a drama queen? Sure. Is he a pretentious jerk? Yes. Does he deserve to be doxxed? No. The fact that some people feel so strongly against someone (or think it's fun) to go and try to make this guy's life a living hell is just insane. Does he deserve criticism for some of the things he says? Absolutely, he's a blowhard that is full of himself. But the death threats and leaking all of his information isn't warranted.

Same goes for Zoe Quinn. Yes, it's wrong she cheated on someone, and it's really wrong that one of the people she cheated with was her married boss or potentially exchanging sex for favorable press. Criticizing her for that is perfectly valid, and considering her own hypocrisy, calling her out on it is fine. As well, proper investigating through legal means to validated her ex's claims is also fine, and probably warranted. But doxxing her, hacking her Dropbox, sending death and rape threats? It's uncalled for.

In a way, it makes me sympathize with them, not because I think they are good people, but because of the reaction to them is so unwarranted. Criticism and investigation into the issue through proper legal means is fine, but as a gaming community, we need to stand against the death and rape threats, or putting peoples personal information (especially things such as addresses) available for everyone to see, or hacking into people's personal files or websites or Twitter accounts.
#86ShadowThaReaperPosted 8/23/2014 3:23:02 PM
Mechalon posted...
The fact that some people feel so strongly against someone (or think it's fun) to go and try to make this guy's life a living hell is just insane.


You're gonna need to prove that it was real.

Mechalon posted...
Same goes for Zoe Quinn. Yes, it's wrong she cheated on someone, and it's really wrong that one of the people she cheated with was her married boss or potentially exchanging sex for favorable press. Criticizing her for that is perfectly valid, and considering her own hypocrisy, calling her out on it is fine. As well, proper investigating through legal means to validated her ex's claims is also fine, and probably warranted. But doxxing her, hacking her Dropbox, sending death and rape threats? It's uncalled for.


Yeah, no.

https://i.imgur.com/m1tvItF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pY1vpV2.jpg

Mechalon posted...
In a way, it makes me sympathize with them, not because I think they are good people, but because of the reaction to them is so unwarranted. Criticism and investigation into the issue through proper legal means is fine, but as a gaming community, we need to stand against the death and rape threats, or putting peoples personal information (especially things such as addresses) available for everyone to see, or hacking into people's personal files or websites or Twitter accounts.


You keep saying rape and death threats. I'd like to see some proof. I have proof that Zoe harassed a community of depressed people.

http://imgur.com/a/4VOcx

I also have someone saying Zoe sexually harassed them at a wedding and Phil Fish verbally harassing them.

https://i.imgur.com/iSEPh6a.png
#87KaiserWarriorPosted 8/23/2014 4:14:43 PM
Good riddance to a trash developer that made a mediocre game and then acted like a complete douchebag over and over again.

Maybe, if we're lucky, he'll go away entirely and stop inflicting his rancid presence on the world.
#88DarkZV2BetaPosted 8/23/2014 7:51:28 PM
Rangue posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Rangue posted...
DarkZV2Beta posted...

Same could be said in reverse, but either way, it's ignoring the issue to try and play the blame game.


The same could be said in reverse? Ignoring the issue and playing the blame game? That is not an argument, that is a platitude. The ENTIRE issue is about Phil Fish playing the blame game. He is blaming gamers for his decisions. He is doing X because he is mad people said or did Y. People have to accept personal responsibility for their decisions, and stop trying to push things off on others, as Phil Fish constantly does.

He is a laughing stock not because he made a bad game or a baseless vendetta, he is a laughing stock because of the way he acts. People are allowed to comment on the way you act, especially when you are in the public spotlight.


So what?
Stop being such a child.


Herpa Derp, I do not have any argument whatsoever. Even though my first post in this thread said:
DarkZV2Beta posted...
the rampant fish hate is a larger source of drama and garbage than fish himself.
I am totally unable to debate my opinion. I just insist it is correct, and anyone who disagrees I call them a child. Phil Fish needs me defending him. I R GUD POSTR


Nothing that you've said has anything to do with the rampant fish hate being more annoying than fish himself. All it was was "he started it bawwwww", further proving my point.
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#89MechalonPosted 8/23/2014 8:26:10 PM
ShadowThaReaper posted...
Mechalon posted...
The fact that some people feel so strongly against someone (or think it's fun) to go and try to make this guy's life a living hell is just insane.


You're gonna need to prove that it was real.

Mechalon posted...
Same goes for Zoe Quinn. Yes, it's wrong she cheated on someone, and it's really wrong that one of the people she cheated with was her married boss or potentially exchanging sex for favorable press. Criticizing her for that is perfectly valid, and considering her own hypocrisy, calling her out on it is fine. As well, proper investigating through legal means to validated her ex's claims is also fine, and probably warranted. But doxxing her, hacking her Dropbox, sending death and rape threats? It's uncalled for.


Yeah, no.

https://i.imgur.com/m1tvItF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pY1vpV2.jpg

Mechalon posted...
In a way, it makes me sympathize with them, not because I think they are good people, but because of the reaction to them is so unwarranted. Criticism and investigation into the issue through proper legal means is fine, but as a gaming community, we need to stand against the death and rape threats, or putting peoples personal information (especially things such as addresses) available for everyone to see, or hacking into people's personal files or websites or Twitter accounts.


You keep saying rape and death threats. I'd like to see some proof. I have proof that Zoe harassed a community of depressed people.

http://imgur.com/a/4VOcx

I also have someone saying Zoe sexually harassed them at a wedding and Phil Fish verbally harassing them.

https://i.imgur.com/iSEPh6a.png


First thing first, I never once said either of them are good people. I had hoped to make it clear that both of them are rather crappy people who deserve any criticism they get thrown their way. Harassing a group of people with depression as well as cheating is classless and reprehensible. And if they in fact faked their own doxxing and are trying to pin the blame on an innocent party, I hope that they will be punished under the law.

That being said, my point stands that if someone did legitimately doxx them, they don't deserve it. And if they do receive death and/or rape threats, they also do not deserve it. I don't have proof they have received them, but of course I don't have access to their accounts. As a whole though, the gaming community shouldn't be doing or encouraging things such as that to them or anyone. It doesn't matter how crappy a person is, that's not our problem. Again, it should be investigated if the people Zoe slept with gave her an advantage or if they fake doxxed themselves or any other legitimate acts of wrongdoing, but otherwise all this anger makes gamers as a whole look like a bunch of children, and many of them misogynistic children. There's no need to try or hope that someone's life gets ruined for all of this.
#90RanguePosted 8/23/2014 8:29:19 PM
DarkZV2Beta posted...
Nothing that you've said has anything to do with the rampant fish hate being more annoying than fish himself. All it was was "he started it bawwwww", further proving my point.


You did not say annoying, you said drama and garbage. If what you meant was annoying you should have said that. I had assumed you meant the fish hate was just drama, or the fish hate was garbage. Hence why I went off on personal responsibility and taking ownership of ones actions and their consequences.

I never assumed you meant annoying, as I do not find the Phil Fish haters annoying. I consider a drama queen annoying, as that is what fish is. I consider a persecution complex annoying, as that is what fish has. That said, I can see why you think the haters are annoying, I just disagree, and this is purely a matter of opinion, so.... to each his own.
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