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Gaming Journalism scandal 2014, GamerGate cont'd

#231FaPaThYPosted 9/4/2014 2:29:01 PM(edited)
I have no sympathy for Jenn Frank, but people continuing to kick her while she's down aren't helping us.
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#232ChamillionLivePosted 9/4/2014 2:13:43 PM
drivenby posted...
ChamillionLive posted...
drivenby posted...
wow this is a truly great article

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/09/gamergate_explodes_gaming_journalists_declare_the_gamers_are_over_but_they.html


from slate lol but its legit good and presents a very solid argument


Not bad except for the "Jenn Frank unfairly singled out" part. Frank was called out because she claimed to be impartial yet wrote an article defending Quinn, had a prior relationship with both Quinn and her PR agent Maya Kramer, and funded Quinn's Patreon. She's not innocent in this, by any stretch.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bwdt7Y5CUAAm4tt.png:large


yeah im aware, she claims she told the editor and decided it was not important... later they added it because of the backlash from the article and she received the blame?

She's sort of "collateral damage" but she also wrote a clearly sensationalist article to profit from a scandal at the heat of it, so i'm not entirely sympathetic .


An article about a person involved with corruption and nepotism in games journalism and you decide it's not important to disclose you have a personal and financial relationship with them. The fact that somebody used this as an excuse and a superior thought it was acceptable is amazing.
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#233DukeGogoatPosted 9/4/2014 2:21:17 PM
It was actually her superior who said it wasn't important, if I remember the details right. If it wasn't for that, she'd have gone ahead and mentioned it.

Saw her meltdown on twitter earlier today after waking up, felt really bad for her because of the people that kept on bugging her after the whole thing fell apart.
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#234geekneck99Posted 9/4/2014 2:28:25 PM(edited)
jammymacster posted...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/09/04/gamergate-a-closer-look-at-the-controversy-sweeping-video-games/


Good read. A lot of fair points about both sides, and I heartily agree that dragging even more politics into this might not be the best of ideas (to put it mildly).




And yeah, let's try to keep things civil and not be so quick to attack or embrace anyone. We know and "know" a lot more now than three weeks ago, but this isn't over yet. Remember, take all of this with a healthy dose of salt.
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#235TheLoneDigitPosted 9/4/2014 2:37:03 PM
InternetAristocrat and Adam Baldwin talk about GamerGate on The Ed Morrissey Show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ0wODEcW2I

A calm talk regarding what has been going on.
#236Jprime666Posted 9/4/2014 2:58:51 PM
Now that I've taken the time to read more about this whole controversy I'm not so surprised about it. It's really the logical evolution.

Gamers have for a long while cried foul about the press being biased and untrustworthy, I recall one particular IGN article defending EA and it was literally as close to IGN performing text-based fellatio as they could write without getting sexual.

Then when the Mass Effect 3 thing happened a lot of the press turned on gamers with the fallacious "entitled" argument.

And then a while later it started to come out that EA and Microsoft both were buying out youtubers for positive coverage. There was also that thing where Ubi gave a bunch of journalists tablets.

And now with this latest ****storm, it's little wonder that gamers are starting to mistrust the gaming press.
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#237CovenantPosted 9/4/2014 3:09:01 PM(edited)
Mars1040 posted...
But the advertisers make money from us. If we're not visiting the site, they'll take their business elsewhere. We're not far off from customers.

We are stakeholders, but not nearly as important as the actual customers.


arleas posted...
Looks like they're now trying to hide their Patreon support...

Yeah, I posted this when the Patreon ban was first put forth. Patreon allows anonymous donations. It is an unenforceable rule meant to shut people up without changing anything.


Jprime666 posted...
Then when the Mass Effect 3 thing happened a lot of the press turned on gamers with the fallacious "entitled" argument.

Not even remotely the same thing. Mass Effect 3 whiners were being children, for the most part.
#238HenryKazukaPosted 9/4/2014 3:18:44 PM
Jprime666 posted...
Now that I've taken the time to read more about this whole controversy I'm not so surprised about it. It's really the logical evolution.

Gamers have for a long while cried foul about the press being biased and untrustworthy, I recall one particular IGN article defending EA and it was literally as close to IGN performing text-based fellatio as they could write without getting sexual.

Then when the Mass Effect 3 thing happened a lot of the press turned on gamers with the fallacious "entitled" argument.

And then a while later it started to come out that EA and Microsoft both were buying out youtubers for positive coverage. There was also that thing where Ubi gave a bunch of journalists tablets.

And now with this latest ****storm, it's little wonder that gamers are starting to mistrust the gaming press.
We need to find some dirt on AAA developers/publishers for this to really blow up, but they do a better job at covering their tracks.
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#239Jprime666Posted 9/4/2014 3:26:29 PM
Covenant posted...
Mars1040 posted...
But the advertisers make money from us. If we're not visiting the site, they'll take their business elsewhere. We're not far off from customers.

We are stakeholders, but not nearly as important as the actual customers.


Jprime666 posted...
Then when the Mass Effect 3 thing happened a lot of the press turned on gamers with the fallacious "entitled" argument.

Not even remotely the same thing. Mass Effect 3 whiners were being children, for the most part.


You made my point for me. What you responded to me with was exactly how the a lot of the press responded to their "stakeholders" Like I said, it was a trickle before the flood. Press turning on gamers by calling them names.
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#240drivenbyPosted 9/4/2014 3:28:00 PM
HenryKazuka posted...
Jprime666 posted...
Now that I've taken the time to read more about this whole controversy I'm not so surprised about it. It's really the logical evolution.

Gamers have for a long while cried foul about the press being biased and untrustworthy, I recall one particular IGN article defending EA and it was literally as close to IGN performing text-based fellatio as they could write without getting sexual.

Then when the Mass Effect 3 thing happened a lot of the press turned on gamers with the fallacious "entitled" argument.

And then a while later it started to come out that EA and Microsoft both were buying out youtubers for positive coverage. There was also that thing where Ubi gave a bunch of journalists tablets.

And now with this latest ****storm, it's little wonder that gamers are starting to mistrust the gaming press.
We need to find some dirt on AAA developers/publishers for this to really blow up, but they do a better job at covering their tracks.


they certainly avoid going on twitter and telling their potentially customers they are mouth breathing neckbeards!
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