Heffy24Posted 4/20/2011 9:22:22 AM | I would need the full context of what Paul was saying to fully understand it, but from what I gather it could simply mean that the one man is ignorant and the other knows it is wrong. Many things are lost in translation, but I will definitely research that. But also, it is hard to take everything Paul says as hard Christian fact. I know many female pastors, and one may even do my wedding.
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The Gospel reorients our relationship from being submitted to the Law as our guide or taskmaster, to being free in the Spirit to choose our own exhibition of love. Any Christianity that seeks to place us back under a Law is no longer taking the Gospel seriously as liberation.
To me, the Law implies that when we stray from it, we are punished. I do not believe this is so with sinning in a New Covenant era. I agree with what you are saying, but I still think that we should strive to not sin because it glorifies God, not to avoid punishment. The goal for Christians remains the same: follow the word of God and the teachings of Christ. The motivation behind it is the differentiating factor.
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PolemosPosted 4/20/2011 9:41:19 PM | Paul didn't write either of the Timothy letters, where one finds such ludicrous statements as forbidding women from positions of authority. No man who says "There is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, slave nor free in Christ Jesus" for strong reasons related to the leveling effects of the Gospel message can so easily turn around and start mandating women by virtue of having those gonads are incapable of authority. The institutionalization and accommodation to more of the conservative Roman cultural habits led to those regrettable, pseudepigraphical Timothy letters.
I don't think we do agree, but we'd need to clarify together what we mean by 'word of God' and 'teachings of Christ'. I'm assuming you mean the contextual words found in physical Bibles? I think the focus shifts clearly in Paul's argument in Romans from holding ourselves to written rules towards we "strive to not sin because sinning hurts people whom we should love." It's not so much we go straight to glorifying God, but we do that through our modeling what Messiah Jesus already modeled and models constantly in those who model him as themselves. We do agree that punishment is no longer at issue. It's perhaps a language issue here.
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