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Reviewers need 2 scales: Casual and Hardcore

#71MRL3G3ND(Topic Creator)Posted 9/26/2011 1:24:55 PM
okay are you one of those people who think that because YOU know everybody else knows? Did you even read my post? when I stated that I was never into Halo, but since the mags reviews gave it high scores I had to try it out and infact found out it was indeed a great game.

Same thing for rainbow 6 3, same for Ghost Recon Island thunder, same thing for Splinter cell.

I myself may keep up with game news and progress on a daily basis but to the guy who is 5-10 years behind me in gaming may be getting the wrong picture...

PLUS gaming is more diverse than it was 5-10 years ago...back then they made games for gamers, now they make games for people who are not gamers
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#72MR_SorenPosted 9/27/2011 6:28:43 AM(edited)
MRL3G3ND posted...
PLUS gaming is more diverse than it was 5-10 years ago...back then they made games for gamers, now they make games for people who are not gamers

That's the first thing you said in this thread that I agree with, and I find it to be one of the most disappointing trends in gaming.

However, you are dead wrong if you are trying to say games like CoE are NOT for gamers. It is very much intended for people who enjoy pure gameplay without all of the noise that draws in non-gamers.

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#73otisanimePosted 9/27/2011 6:28:25 AM
"I play everything from kinect sports to arma 2"

Arma 2, now there's a hardcore game.

Gears of War 3 is a casual game. It's just a different type of casual game. But it's still a casual game.
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#74Nate_DihldorffPosted 9/27/2011 6:36:38 AM
It's funny how Joystiq proved Mr. TC's topic correct-

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/09/13/the-gunstringer-review/
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#75Re7elaTioNPosted 9/27/2011 6:50:02 AM
I thought this thread died long ago... oh well.

And Nate, The Gunstringer is a fantastic game, so no, Joystiq did NOT prove the TC correct. For $40, you get 2 MUST HAVE Kinect titles. I'd say the review is pretty spot on.
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#76Nate_DihldorffPosted 9/27/2011 7:29:37 AM
Re7elaTioN posted...
I thought this thread died long ago... oh well.

And Nate, The Gunstringer is a fantastic game, so no, Joystiq did NOT prove the TC correct. For $40, you get 2 MUST HAVE Kinect titles. I'd say the review is pretty spot on.




No, it's how they reviewed it that proves TC correct. Joystiq admitted to giving the game a score while keeping the thought that it's a casual title in mind.
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#77MrMikeMaPosted 9/27/2011 7:42:35 AM
It's funny how Joystiq proved Mr. TC's topic correct-


It's also funny how it's ALWAYS "new users" (ie, alt accounts) who come seemingly out of nowhere to a TC's defense when they are losing a thread very badly.
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#78Re7elaTioNPosted 9/27/2011 7:51:51 AM
No, it's how they reviewed it that proves TC correct. Joystiq admitted to giving the game a score while keeping the thought that it's a casual title in mind.

Um... I had to go and reread the review... and then read it a third time in an attempt to try and find where you pulled that assumption from. Nowhere in that review does he use the word "casual" nor refer to it in any other similar terms. The closest I found was this:

"We have a scale here at Joystiq, and it's based on the idea of someone asking us if they should take the time to play a certain game. It starts at "Yes." and gets more conditional from there."

This does not classify the game as casual, lesser, inferior or any other derogatory term used on these boards to describe games the "core" don't like.

He did mention he wants the game to succeed so that more games like it are made, but that also doesn't say "casual" either, but instead admitting that he's biased as a reviewer.
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#79DakhanavarXPosted 9/27/2011 9:29:11 AM
I think we've pretty much concluded that 2 scales aren't necessary. For one, who decides which category a game falls under and what are the criteria? Of equal importance, why stop there? Should we have a racing game scale, an FPS scale, an RPG scale, etc? Take all of those, and then double it since we should have a separate retail and downloadable scale. We can't hardly put Castle Crashers and Marvel:UA in the same scale even though they're both beat 'em up's with light RPG elements, can we?

'Cuz really, if it's not fair to use the same scoring for Gunstringer and Gears 3, then you might as well say it's not fair to use the same scale for Gears 3 and Skyrim, right? Neither one would fall under casual I'm sure, but they're just as different from each other as Gears and a "casual" game, aren't they?

As I've said before, reviewers have a hard enough of a time just using the entire scale to rate games already, do we really need or want even more ways to split things up? Honestly, if you're looking to spend $50-60 on a game, you should at least know enough about it to know if it's the kind of game you would enjoy. Don't go by scores, don't go by "casual" or "core", go by what you like, period. If you can't take the time to figure out what kind of game it is, then you're willingly taking a gamble on it.

If reviews *only* contained a score or the actual review, I'd pick the review every single time. The review itself, as long as it's 1/2 way decent, will tell you much, much more than a number will. The review can give you facts like approximate length, multiplayer options, glitches, controls, story, etc. The score, really, is just the reviewers opinion and isn't all that important in the grand scheme of things.
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