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#51shawnmckPosted 1/25/2013 8:26:50 PM
vigorm0rtis posted...

I know Stig doesn't read my posts, but maybe you should look back. I'm not in favor of banning guns-- but I'm not opposed to increased accountability for gun ownership. In the long run, accountability actually decreases the likelihood of bans. I grew up with a gun in my hand, and my family supplied the dinner table by hunting. I agree with mag restrictions, because if you need that many shots to get something done, you're an untrained menace or a criminal. Background checks, registering everything? Why not? I have to register to vote, for pete's sake, I'm willing to do it to own a weapon.


^ Again, you are creating the false assumption that the 2nd Amendment is about "hunting", when that's NOT what its about.
Go read the personal journals and early writings of the authors of the Constitution and Bill of Rights....
The 2nd Amendment is about personal defense of property & life, as well as to defend against a tyrannical form of Government should the Govt attempt to wrestle control from the people like all forms of Socialist/ Communist forms of Government try to do.

That means having clips that hold more than 7 bullets.
As any police officer or even Military vet will attest to the fact that you will miss 75% of all your shots at the very least.....and that's if you have training.

What good is a gun with 7 bullets if your enemies have clips with 19+...?
#52vigorm0rtisPosted 1/25/2013 8:28:02 PM
TheBlueStig posted...


No government or police force needs to know what ANY citizen owns in their own home.


Haven't advocated federal action on any front, Like I said, you don't read posts, you just wait for an opportunity to react.

And yes, the government already knows what you own in your home, at least legally, in a lot of instances. Medication, various hazardous materials, etc. Citizens who don't intend to break the law don't have a reason to hide their guns. I don't care if the government knows what's in my safe. (although, I do have a shotgun I inherited that is sawed off a few mm short of the law... but I've never even loaded it).

Keep planning that revolution, John Rambo.
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"'Grab the guns!' 'What about the troll?' 'Leave the troll.'"--ATHF
#53vigorm0rtisPosted 1/25/2013 8:35:35 PM
shawnmck posted...

Go read the personal journals and early writings of the authors of the Constitution and Bill of Rights....
The 2nd Amendment is about personal defense of property & life, as well as to defend against a tyrannical form of Government should the Govt attempt to wrestle control from the people like all forms of Socialist/ Communist forms of Government try to do.


No, it's not about that, first and foremost. Primary allowance is as part of a militia:


This desirable uniformity can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority. It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by congress

Federalist papers.

What good is a gun with 7 bullets if your enemies have clips with 19+...?


I know what I'm doing, and either way, I don't intend to play pretend I'm Wyatt Earp.
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"'Grab the guns!' 'What about the troll?' 'Leave the troll.'"--ATHF
#54shawnmckPosted 1/25/2013 8:43:42 PM
vigorm0rtis posted...
shawnmck posted...

Go read the personal journals and early writings of the authors of the Constitution and Bill of Rights....
The 2nd Amendment is about personal defense of property & life, as well as to defend against a tyrannical form of Government should the Govt attempt to wrestle control from the people like all forms of Socialist/ Communist forms of Government try to do.


No, it's not about that, first and foremost. Primary allowance is as part of a militia:


This desirable uniformity can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority. It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by congress

Federalist papers.

What good is a gun with 7 bullets if your enemies have clips with 19+...?


I know what I'm doing, and either way, I don't intend to play pretend I'm Wyatt Earp.


^ And guess who a militia is, as defined by the very same writers...?
Every able-bodied man.
The term "militia" doesn't mean what you think it means.
In the words of the very founders, it means every man that can take up arms to protect themselves.

And I like the way you skirt around the issue by labeling anyone who doesn't share your view as "Wyatt Earp".
That would be like me labeling you and anyone else that disagrees with me as Karl Marx.
Its very childish.
But its what your side is good at.
#55TheBlueStigPosted 1/25/2013 9:01:20 PM
vigorm0rtis posted...
Haven't advocated federal action on any front

Registration.


And yes, the government already knows what you own in your home, at least legally, in a lot of instances. Medication, various hazardous materials, etc.

Before ObummerCare no, the government did NOT know about any meds in any homes in the USA, that would be illegal under the laws that prevent them from keeping information on people who DON'T break the law.


Citizens who don't intend to break the law don't have a reason to hide their guns. I don't care if the government knows what's in my safe. (although, I do have a shotgun I inherited that is sawed off a few mm short of the law... but I've never even loaded it).


If that sawed off isn't registered as a pistol, or doesn't have an NFA permit and tax stamp attached to it, you're guilty of a Federal Felony.
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin
#56TheBlueStigPosted 1/25/2013 9:03:12 PM
vigorm0rtis posted...
No, it's not about that, first and foremost. Primary allowance is as part of a militia:


This desirable uniformity can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority. It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by congress

Federalist papers.


Tench Coxe

The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but where, I trust in God, it will always remain, in the hands of the people.

The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

Also remember something else, every able bodied person from 15 to 60 is legally a member of the Militia under a Federal Law that's still on the books right now.
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin