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Nintendo losing money and Sony rushing PS4/ killing PS3....

#21RygonPosted 2/1/2013 7:51:40 PM
Why do you care about companies? You haven't even seen the machines or games from Microsoft or Sony but you've already decided your favorite.
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#22WinternovaPosted 2/1/2013 9:03:33 PM
Foxx3k posted...
majinbuu58 posted...
RockguyKev posted...
I'm quite a lover of Microsoft but the sad truth is all three makers are going to be hurting this upcoming gen until they figure out that $60 games are not going to sustain them.


Get out


He does kind of have a point though.

Next to the juggernaut franchises, games aren't survive at $60.

I mean heck, Hitman Absolution is a game in a fairly big franchise with good marketing (and lots of controversy, which is great marketing) and after three months it's basically $15.

Even Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 went on sale for $45 a month after release. Same with Halo 4 and Far Cry 3...

It's a race to the bottom out there.


He doesn't have a point whatsoever. 4 KB games for the Atari 2600 when it was released cost over $90 in today's money. $60 for a current generation game is damn cheap.
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#23WinternovaPosted 2/1/2013 9:05:15 PM
Rygon posted...
Why do you care about companies? You haven't even seen the machines or games from Microsoft or Sony but you've already decided your favorite.


Considering I don't really care for games developed in Japan, I'll probably stick with the next Microsoft console. I don't need to see the machines or the games to make an educated guess.
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#24Shamrock99Posted 2/1/2013 10:07:26 PM
Winternova posted...
Considering I don't really care for games developed in Japan, I'll probably stick with the next Microsoft console.

I'm going to assume you started gaming either this gen or last gen then, and it's very possible you only game on Xbox consoles.
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#25AcquirePosted 2/1/2013 10:53:57 PM
Sony generally has a history of long support for any product they make. Hell, they kept making mini disc players and mini discs up until 2011. PS2 was around for 12 years and only recently ended. Both the PS1 and PS2 were alive through almost two full console generations. PS3 support will continue will into the later part of this decade.
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#26midgarPosted 2/2/2013 12:26:34 AM
From: CyricsServant | #005
HENTAIDOJI posted...
...is it fair to say that 3rd time really is the charm and this is Microsoft generation to lose?


Killing the PS3? how do you figure that? Sony plans to release Sly 4, Puppeteer, and The Last of Us this year. They're still working on The Last Guardian too . . . and that's ignoring third parties.

I'd hardly call that "killing" the system.


Don't forget Beyond Two Souls, which will also surely kick ass.
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#27DavCubePosted 2/2/2013 6:33:38 AM
Foxx3k posted...
He does kind of have a point though.

Next to the juggernaut franchises, games aren't survive at $60.


They've survived at $60 for over thirty years, BEFORE the inflation that's happened. The only reason it seems more expensive now is because so many more games are even being made now at all. Gaming has always been an expensive hobby any way you slice it.
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#28Dragon NexusPosted 2/2/2013 6:41:09 AM
From: Foxx3k | #016
"Think" they should be cheaper? By no means do I think we are entitled to cheaper games or anything like that.

But the industry is in a race to the bottom. Games plummet in price weeks after they are released. Full price games can hardly compete in the market, unless you're an established franchise with a huge install base ... and even then, only sometimes.


So...other than pointing out the facts as they exist, what is your point? What do you propose?

I'm wondering if you suggest games shouldn't just release at $60 and work out the balance from there, instead launching at maybe $50 or $40 while the really high quality games launch at $60.

I'd sort of agree, but the problem is it suggests a grading system right from launch. "Our game isn't as good so it's only $30". It's not the reason behind it, but it's what gamers will interpret of it. Hell, it happened with Banjo Kazooie Nuts And Bolts before it even came out. "LOL it's not coming out at $60, that means MS knows it's crap and is trying to warn us LAWL!"

Gamers are generally savvy enough to know certain games will drop in price quickly. Games that don't have the long term shelf life like DMC or any RPG that doesn't feature guns. Though honestly, if people buy a game at $60 that later goes on to drop in price, hey, more money to the devs on a game that otherwise wouldn't last long. And if that gamer feels cheated, he'll know for next time.

Honestly, the $60 for all rule needs to continue. Movies don't tend to come out at vastly different prices. It puts all games from day one at an even playing field.
I can think of a few examples where this was a poor choice, Rayman Origins for example. Ubisoft released that on the same day as Assassins Creed: Revelations. Both for $60. Stupid idea, Rayman should have come out for $50 or even $40 to entice people into making a double purchase. Ubisoft shot themselves in the foot, never mind that Saints Row 3 also came out that day, soaking up peoples' money even more.
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#29RockguyKevPosted 2/2/2013 8:29:18 AM
Nova, I usually respect your analyses but you're missing a huge point here.

I don't care if Atari games were $200 a piece, they were the only kid on the block. $60 games are comparatively insanely expensive in today's market when you consider the alternatives.

I never said games were overpriced at $60 - I said the market is not sustainable at that price. Casual gamers can get their fix through $2 games on their phone/tablet. They are not going to buy $300 systems with $60 games at a significant rate any more. I will keep buying $60 games (and often more since I buy DLC all the time) and so will core gamers but that isn't going to be enough to sustain this model long term.

There's zero reason the WiiU shouldn't be selling right now until you think about how it compares to other gaming options and the market it is targeting.
#30WinternovaPosted 2/2/2013 7:16:48 PM
Shamrock99 posted...
Winternova posted...
Considering I don't really care for games developed in Japan, I'll probably stick with the next Microsoft console.

I'm going to assume you started gaming either this gen or last gen then, and it's very possible you only game on Xbox consoles.


Actually I started on a dedicated Pong console in 1977, then an Atari 2600, Apple //e, NES, Commodore Amiga, Genesis, SNES, TurboGrafx 16, 32X, PlayStation, Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, Wii, Xbox 360, and a PS3.

RockguyKev posted...
I don't care if Atari games were $200 a piece, they were the only kid on the block.


Yeah, the Intellivision, ColecoVision, Odyssey2, Fairchild Channel F, Vectrex, Emerson Arcadia 2001, Coleco Adam, Apple ][, Commodore VIC-20, and numerous pong clones weren't available - the Atari 2600 was the only kid on the block.

RockguyKev posted...
They are not going to buy $300 systems with $60 games at a significant rate any more.


Sure they are - they just need the console to do more than just play games...which is why Microsoft is expanding the multimedia aspect of Xbox LIVE. Casual gamers are rarely the early adopters - even with the Wii the casual market didn't expand until a year or so into the console's life.

The model has worked for almost 30 years. The market where $2 games will make the biggest impact is the handheld market, not the console.
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