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MS now has no incentive to make XBLA games transfer over... PSN games don't.
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DarkTyrantX posted... i can see MS having it. they seem more competent than sony when it comes to this. also they use hardware similar to pc where ps3 didnt . As was said earlier, not really. They use PC API's. That's what makes stuff easy, not the hardware. The 360 uses a Power PC based CPU. The PS3 does also. The 360 uses a PC style GPU, so did the PS3. Power PC CPUs are not very much in the realm of what's likely being used at all. Those are more like the CPUs you saw in macs and crap. Emulation is very, very, very, very, VERY, unlikely, if impossible, for the 360, and that just leaves them putting a 360 inside the 720. You really think they're going to do that? --- PSN: OtimusPSN // XBOX Live: Otimus // Steam: mightypotatojones Now playing: Tribes Ascend (PC) | |
otisanime posted... DarkTyrantX posted...i can see MS having it. they seem more competent than sony when it comes to this. also they use hardware similar to pc where ps3 didnt . I have absolutely no real sense of hardware outside of which graphics cards are the best and which processors are top of the line, so bear with me in case I say something totally off the wall. But wouldn't MS only really need to include the CPU from the 360 in the 720 in order to make it backwards compatible? Maybe the graphics card, but not the RAM since they are sticking with DDR3. The CPU and GPU should both be cheap since they streamlined production multiple times over the years and they are both bigger and older than the current tech. I get that you can't really just throw that stuff on the motherboard since you have to make one to support it all, but I just feel like they could figure out a way to make it work. Also, how much would it cost to add the components of the 360 to the 720? With how far things have come, it couldn't be that much, right? --- "Modern Biology is Chemistry, modern Chemistry is Physics, and modern Physics is...crazy." - Mark Peyron | |
metroidman92 posted... It's still a d*** move to not integrate it. At least let us re-download Arcade titles. You would have hated gaming in the 1980s and 1990s if you were alive back then. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMKUUUvjjzo Fan of: Steelers(6-time Champions), Red Wings(11-time Champions) | |
From: kungfucolin | #066 360 retail titles - Unlikely to be playable on the next MS console, since it either requires full emulation (no way will the machine be powerful enough) or it requires an additional CPU (like the PS2), and that costs money. Why do people think this? XBLA games run on the 360 just as retail games do. Just because they are smaller and cheaper doesn't mean they use different hardware. If XBLA games work with BC, retail games will too and vice-versa. --- Gamertag: Mad Mistress [AH3:Weiss(kinda, I'm still new)] [BBCS:Robo-Friends] [MVC3:Hulk/Akuma/Sentinel] [WFC:Scout/Scientist] [SF4:LOL] | |
Lets think about this.... there are strong rumors that every Xbox 720 console will include a Kinect 2.0; which is already going to drive the cost up. It seems extremely unlikely that they'll also include the internal 360 parts required to make backwards compatibility work. Even an EA exec said BC probably wouldn't happen for either the PS4 or the next Xbox. How many people would pay $600 for the console just for the sake of it having BC anyway? How about paying less than $500 if it didn't? Even the XBLA games are programmed using PPC instruction sets, the games HAVE to be rewritten by each developer in order to work. Will developers offer a discount? Possibly. Will they offer them for free? Unlikely. The current XBLA games will NOT play without reprogramming or emulating the PPC code, which is never perfect. Also, on the topic of software emulation... the PS4 leaks were apparently correct and the GPU has 18 cores, Durango on the other hand has only 12 according to the leaks. That's already a 50% increase in GPU power (assuming the same clock speeds) if it's true. If any console is doing software emulation well, it's going to be the PS4. | |
I'm sure it has been said many times in many different ways over the course of this discussion, but wouldn't having a marketable advantage over the competition be an incentive? --- www.bewaretherobotsquad.com Home of the world famous Retroulette™. | |
Imacomposer posted... How many people would pay $600 for the console just for the sake of it having BC anyway? How about paying less than $500 if it didn't? Even the XBLA games are programmed using PPC instruction sets, the games HAVE to be rewritten by each developer in order to work. Will developers offer a discount? Possibly. Will they offer them for free? Unlikely. The current XBLA games will NOT play without reprogramming or emulating the PPC code, which is never perfect. Maybe I'm part of the problem, but I'd pay $600 if the 720 came with backwards compatibility. I'd rather it be cheaper, obviously, but I want to support the practice of backwards compatibility. Yeah, Microsoft needs to beef up the 720. The 360 was the middle of the road in this gen, and I don't think they want to repeat that trend. The stronger GPU coupled with their superior DDR5 RAM is making the PS4 much stronger out of the gate, and more appealing to the console gamer looking for the most powerful console, regardless of manufacturer. --- "Modern Biology is Chemistry, modern Chemistry is Physics, and modern Physics is...crazy." - Mark Peyron | |
Next gen is looking to be a giant flop so far. Wii U will take at least 2 more years to reach an appetizing price-to-number-of-good-games ratio, PS4 lacks BC entirely and uses a bloody PC processor, making it seem kinda pointless to even get one since PC will do everything it does better, and the 720 is shaping up to be the exact clone of the PS4. In fact I'm 99% sure that the PS4 and 720 will be fully emulatable in mere months after release since all that'd be needed for games on those two to run on Windows is a program like WINE to translate the binary code into a Windows application; you wouldn't need a terribly complex emulator since the architecture is EXACTLY the same. I think this console gen might well be the very last one before everyone moves to PC. This may also spell the doom of MS since there are a lot of devs working on Linux ports now thanks to Steam, and if a complete switch does occur, Windows' one advantage is gone. | |
From: PPPPLAASSUMA | #353 What an absolutely styyuuuuupid topic. Whoever created this should close it out of embarrassment for looking so dumb. So facts are stupid and article links to said facts are stupid now?... Good to know, guess we'll stick to rumors. --- "You shouldn't be asking HOW things are, given that we already know there is something..but rather WHY things are, as opposed to there being nothing." | |
From: Winternova | #403 You would have hated gaming in the 1980s and 1990s if you were alive back then. Yeah but it's one of those things that has been teased and given then taken away. Blame Sony, PS2 and PS3 were both BC so obviously people are going to expect it. Shoot with the PS3 it was given then taken away on the same console, same with Wii. In the Wii's case they even tried to sneak it out...announcing a price drop but neglecting to make it obvious that BC was removed. The whole BC thing has been a mess since the start so there's really no reason to blame gamers. And now with digital content it's even worse and makes it feel like we're being screwed over even more. --- "You shouldn't be asking HOW things are, given that we already know there is something..but rather WHY things are, as opposed to there being nothing." |
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