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Worst.Argument.Ever. --- 3DS: 3007-8102-4965 PSN: fenderstrathss | |
Again putting words in my mouth. Dude does your whole argument revolve around doing that? Your not going into law I hope because then you'd be losing left and right. Let me clear some stuff up 1. Argument is dumb. Not the person. So remember that before you put words into my mouth... again... for the third time. 2. You (and yes I am using you as an example) can get any new game on the market weeks after it was at a released at a cheaper and discounted price, thus meaning that you are buying a new game, thus meaning you are getting the online pass for FREE, and finally meaning you don't have to pay an extra $10 (is this even a set price?) 3. If you (and I am using YOU again as an example) buy new it does not affect you at all. 4. So you don't come back with some preconceived notion that my argument is still tied with the whole "Oh game developers are getting ****** over with used sales" I do not work in the video game development field. I do not plan on going into said field and since I don't know the game developer's point of view I cannot comment on it, and neither can most of the people on this board. I am interested now that we cleared this up and since you still haven't provided your argument other than "He didn't say but I'm going to change it up so it makes him say it" argument. If I did present Point Number 4 what is your retort for it? | |
wiidundant posted... Worst.Argument.Ever. Don't exaggerate, you've read worse. --- NIER | |
From: jubjub360 | #152 1. Fair enough. 2. And what if I want to buy the game used for $10 less then? How is that fair for me that half of the game I paid for is locked? 3. ^ basically the same question as #2, so same answer. 4. Plenty of people can comment on it. You don't have to work in the industry to hear what the people that do work in the industry say. --- I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.--Albert Einstein | |
gjc2007 posted... From: jubjub360 | #152 Again putting words in my mouth. Dude does your whole argument revolve around doing that? Your not going into law I hope because then you'd be losing left and right. Let me clear some stuff up 1. Argument is dumb. Not the person. So remember that before you put words into my mouth... again... for the third time. 2. You (and yes I am using you as an example) can get any new game on the market weeks after it was at a released at a cheaper and discounted price, thus meaning that you are buying a new game, thus meaning you are getting the online pass for FREE, and finally meaning you don't have to pay an extra $10 (is this even a set price?) 3. If you (and I am using YOU again as an example) buy new it does not affect you at all. 4. So you don't come back with some preconceived notion that my argument is still tied with the whole "Oh game developers are getting ****** over with used sales" I do not work in the video game development field. I do not plan on going into said field and since I don't know the game developer's point of view I cannot comment on it, and neither can most of the people on this board. I am interested now that we cleared this up and since you still haven't provided your argument other than "He didn't say but I'm going to change it up so it makes him say it" argument. If I did present Point Number 4 what is your retort for it? 1. Fair enough. 2. And what if I want to buy the game used for $10 less then? How is that fair for me that half of the game I paid for is locked? 3. ^ basically the same question as #2, so same answer. 4. Plenty of people can comment on it. You don't have to work in the industry to hear what the people that do work in the industry say. Actually 2 and 3 does present a good point... What games are out there that are $10 that still have it's servers still open? And before we continue: All I've heard about the PSN Pass and the online stuff and the like is that it only affects your ability to play online. Does it affect the ability to download content or does it just affect the online play? --- http://instantboss.org/ | |
husky74 posted... Okay, 2 thoughts to this: 1) This is ironic you should say all this since every where I read people are saying they still prefer single player experiences over multiplayer experiences. In fact, a lot of people hate the multiplayer components of games. Call of Duty seems to be the only exception to the rule. 2) Regarding the last sentence of your premise, what about games like Battlefield 2 and Unreal Championship, that are online only? Won't games like those become completely unusable once the servers shut down since there are no single player components to them and are multiplayer games only, therefore rendering our 60 dollar purchase completely unusable? So based on these 2 thoughts, i'd say your statement is flawed, Brave Fencer Delano. 1) The voice of the single player gamers is not the entire voice of the industry. Look at the sales of games that include online multiplayer components, and look at the people who complain when a game comes out that doesn't have online. Look at the games that initially were single player games, and in their second or third installment had multiplayer added to them. If online wasn't such a big business, this whole topic wouldn't be here. 2) You named 2 games that are exceptions to the rule. MAG is another one. Games that the developers know will only last until people get tired of them. They know that after people get tired of them, stop buying them, and the servers go down, they'll be lost to history unless someone hacks and revives the games. Meanwhile a handful of people like yourself will stand outside the gates waving the game and shouting "Hey! I spent $20 used for this title. I demand you turn the servers back on!". Who in their right mind is going to expect to be able to play a game that requires online forever? No company is going to keep the servers up. Even online MMOs like WoW, which have monthly fees, will eventually shut down. This is what you don't seem to understand. You're complaining that purchasing a $10 online code is a ripoff and that the companies should keep servers up. They can not do this. You can't accept this and you're saying that my statement is flawed? I'm sorry, but not matter how much money you put into heath insurance and take your vitamins, you will eventually die. The servers will eventually die no matter how much money you spend. That is the nature of online services and servers. --- We need NO 3rd party characters in the upcoming Smash Bros! http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/games.php?u=256817 | |
I'm glad I won't have to hear this whining in my online games. --- I was into the Playstation Move before it was cool to be - 7/13/2010 Does that sounds logic? It is NOT - TH3_SYN | |
From: jubjub360 | #155 $10 less; like if a game costs $40 new but I could get it used for $30. Not a $10 game. Although I'm sure you could find some games for that price that still have open servers (PC games for one, Team Fortress specifically. They still make money off of that game because of micro-transactions, which is just one reason that these passes are absolutely ridiculous). Although I'm not sure about this because of all of the DRM restrictions that screw over legit buyers). I wouldn't imagine the passes would block DLC, unless it was online play related (which would make the DLC useless until you DL'd the pass), but they definitely lock you out of online multiplayer modes. --- I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.--Albert Einstein | |
gjc2007 posted... From: jubjub360 | #155 Actually 2 and 3 does present a good point... What games are out there that are $10 that still have it's servers still open? And before we continue: All I've heard about the PSN Pass and the online stuff and the like is that it only affects your ability to play online. Does it affect the ability to download content or does it just affect the online play? $10 less; like if a game costs $40 new but I could get it used for $30. Not a $10 game. Although I'm sure you could find some games for that price that still have open servers (PC games for one, Team Fortress specifically. They still make money off of that game because of micro-transactions, which is just one reason that these passes are absolutely ridiculous). Although I'm not sure about this because of all of the DRM restrictions that screw over legit buyers). I wouldn't imagine the passes would block DLC, unless it was online play related (which would make the DLC useless until you DL'd the pass), but they definitely lock you out of online multiplayer modes. Oops sorry about that. Well I've got to present another question if the difference is 40 to 30 or 30 to 20 and et cetra for all the differences: which do you feel safer going with, new or used? Used games always present that problem of it being scratched to Heck and back (I know blurays are good scratch resistant and you can always check the disk but still) or that the data itself has been messed with in some way or the like. --- http://instantboss.org/ | |
From: jubjub360 | #159 I go with New or Used based on the deals I can find. Generally I only buy used games in person so I can make sure everything comes with it and that the case isn't cracked or the disc isn't scratched (not really a problem with Blu-Ray from my experience). Gamestop does a lot of "Buy 2 get 1 free" sales, so I buy used games when those pop up. Otherwise I generally buy games new if the price difference is negligible or if there is a deal on the new games. And really, these passes aren't a problem for me. I shop around and take time to look for good deals to I can save money, but the majority of people don't do that so they get screwed over when they buy used games from Gamestop because the price difference is usually only around $5-7. They end up being locked out of their game unless they pay more for the used game than they would had they bought it new. The lower in price the games go, the bigger the impact these passes have. Buy why should people that buy used games have to be punished with these online passes? I pretty much never buy Day 1 anymore though because I and 100% against Day 1 DLC and multiple Retailer exclusive DLC bonuses. That's a whole other topic that I could right a book on though so I wont get into that here, but it does go along partially with why I do not support the passes. --- I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.--Albert Einstein |
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