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Have JRPGs really declined in comparison to last gen? Let's take a look

#1GREEN00Posted 10/8/2012 2:03:48 AM
Last gen=2000-2006

Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne
Skies of Arcadia
Digital Devil Saga
Digital Devil Saga 2
Devil Summoner - Raidou Kuzunoha vs. the Soulless Army
Mother 3
Dragon Quest VIII
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy XII
Front Mission 4
Front Mission 5
Dark Cloud
Dark Cloud 2
Shadow Hearts
Shadow Hearts: Covenant
Shadow Hearts: From the New World
Suikoden III
Suikoden IV
Suikoden V
Xenosaga Episode I
Xenosaga Episode II
Xenosaga Episode III
Valkyrie Profile 2:Silmeria
Fire Emblem 6
Fire Emblem 7
Fire Emblem 8
Fire Emblem 9
Kingdom Hearts
Kingdom Hearts II
Kingdom Hearts:Chain of Memories
Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter
.hack// parts 1-4
.hack//G.U. parts 1 -3
Paper Mario:The Thousand Year Door
Baten Kaitos
Baten Kaitos Origins
Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga
Tales of Symphonia
Tales of the Abyss
Tales of Rebirth
Pokemon R/S/E
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Red/Blue Rescue Team
Golden Sun
Golden Sun:The Lost Age
Yggdra Union
Riviera
Ring of Red
Mega Man Battle Network 1-6

Current gen=2006-present day, includes announced but unreleased games

Xenoblade Chronicles
Demon's Souls
Dark Souls
Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey
Fire Emblem 10
Persona 3 FES
Persona 4
Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
Ni No Kuni DS
Pokemon D/P/P
Pokemon B/W/B2/W2
Final Fantasy 0
Valkyria Chronicles
Valkyria Chronicles 3
Pandora's Tower
The Last Story
Etrian Odyssey
Etrian Odyssey 2
Etrian Odyssey 3
Etrian Odyssey 4
Blue Dragon
Lost Odyssey
Dragon Quest IX
Infinite Space
Metal Gear Ac!d
Metal Gear Ac!d 2
The World Ends With You
Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abaddon
7th Dragon
Radiant Historia
Soma Bringer
Tales of Graces
Tales of Xillia
Tales of Xillia 2
Final Fantasy Dissidia
Final Fantasy Dissidia Duodecim 012
Ys Seven
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII
Knights in the Nightmare
Half-Minute Hero
Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep
Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance
Tales of Vesperia
Operation Darkness
Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker
Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2
Oopoona
Shiren the Wanderer Wii
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of the Sky
Mario & Luigi Partners in Time
Mario & Luigi Bowser's Inside Story
The Dark Spire
Final Fantasy:4 Heroes of Light
Mega Man Starforce 1-3
Paper Mario: Sticker Star
Dragon Quest Monsters 3D: Terry's Wonderland
Crimson Shroud
Bravely Default:Flying Fairy
Shin Megami Tensei IV

-The lists are not comprehensive
-Some games have been intentionally omitted, for example Final Fantasy XIII, because of almost universal backlash.
-Ports were omitted unless I felt their inclusion was in some way justified.
-Advance Wars was omitted due to lack of RPG elements

So, what do these lists tell us? Some things I notice,

-Huge shift to portables- Many series & developers that had previously called consoles their primary home shifted to DS/PSP. There are many reasons behind this, and the handheld space seems to discourage and earn the disrespect of some people who had previously played JRPGs and now feel the genre is in decline.

Some examples of this occurence,

Dragon Quest
Shin Megami Tensei+spinoffs
Valkyria Chronicles
Kingdom Hearts
Final Fantasy spinoffs

Continued in next post,
#2GREEN00(Topic Creator)Posted 10/8/2012 2:05:22 AM
-Beloved devs dissolve/the quality of their games diminishes/they put out fewer games due to increased development time-This is a big one. Devs come and go thanks to the rigours of the market, people leave companies and the people replacing them don't do as good a job as their predecessors, and games become increasingly complex and demanding+companies struggle to adapt to new technology.

Some examples,

Square Enix-diminished quality, fewer games, AND staff loss. The makeup and ideaology of Square has changed over time, and most would argue for the worse. Many western gamers view/viewed Square as the JRPG leader,and thus Square's turmoil and mistakes are seen as a reflection of the entire JRPG genre, I'd say unfairly. Square is the major point of contention, unwelcome change, and perceived decline of JRPGs, though in my opinion the decline started last gen, with the loss of Sakaguchi being a dramatic contributing factor.

Front Mission-wrapped up with 5, but Square's portfolio is so Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts/Nomura heavy that there's no replacement in terms of variety

Suikoden-Konami is dumb. They have bled talent left and right this gen. There were 2 recent Suikoden games (DS and PSP), but they are viewed very poorly compared to past games.

Fire Emblem-Fire Emblem 10 is ambitious, but subsequent games have been awful and unworthy of the Fire Emblem name.

-People are hesitant or unwilling to adapt to new series, or accept that their console of choice (PS3+360) are not the target platforms for JRPGs-I have seen on numerous occasions people bemoan the lack of JRPGs on PS360, or ask for a list of PS360 JRPGs (and be greeted by lackluster games due to the rigidity in platform choice), yet seemingly be unwilling to accept the shift in the market to handhelds (or the prospect of buying a Wii) and thus claim that the JRPG genre is dying.

Try to be more objective and pragmatic. Do you really want to play good JRPGs? Then buy a DS. I understand you want PS360 big budget JRPGs, I do too, but that is not the reality by and large. If you don't care enough about JRPGs to branch out to play games beyond PS360, that's fine, but it's silly to claim the genre as a whole is in poor shape using your limited number of available quality JRPGs as a judge.

To summarize,

-Square is in bad shape. In western gamers eyes, Square being in bad shape=JRPGs as a whole are in bad shape.

-People have difficulty accepting the shift of JRPGs to handhelds. Quality JRPGs on PS360 are few and far between=Quality JRPGs in general are infrequent.

I don't feel JRPGs are in perfect shape, but I don't feel the genre is in dire straights either. Quality JRPGs are still being released, and if people want more JRPGs and better JRPGs,

-Buy JRPGs, whatever platform they're on
-Try JRPG series from developers you're unfamiliar with
-Don't blindly buy poor games due to the previous quality of that series, namely Final Fantasy. XIII and XIII-2 were largely sold on brand recognition and hype, while smaller Atlus JRPGs go unnoticed. If for example Versus XIII ends up being great, buy it! Buy it because it's good, not because it has "Final Fantasy" written on the cover.
#3Vince40Posted 10/8/2012 2:12:13 AM
You forgot The Last Remnant and XIII alone still should have been added despite your opinion of it having massive hate.
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#4minecraftPosted 10/8/2012 2:13:05 AM
persona 4 automatically makes this gen better
and if you disagree then good for you for forming your own opinion
#5kupo1705Posted 10/8/2012 2:16:56 AM
minecraft posted...
persona 4 automatically makes this gen better
and if you disagree then good for you for forming your own opinion


I didn't know Persona 4 was released on a current-gen system.
No, re-releases don't count.
#6minecraftPosted 10/8/2012 2:18:50 AM
From: kupo1705 | #005
minecraft posted...
persona 4 automatically makes this gen better
and if you disagree then good for you for forming your own opinion


I didn't know Persona 4 was released on a current-gen system.
No, re-releases don't count.

it was released in this gens timeline, very very very late into the ps2's life
if you read the topic i was going off this. I count P4 as this gen
#7kupo1705Posted 10/8/2012 2:19:43 AM
minecraft posted...
From: kupo1705 | #005
minecraft posted...
persona 4 automatically makes this gen better
and if you disagree then good for you for forming your own opinion


I didn't know Persona 4 was released on a current-gen system.
No, re-releases don't count.

it was released in this gens timeline, very very very late into the ps2's life
if you read the topic i was going off this. I count P4 as this gen


How is it this gen?
It's on the PS2, that makes it last-gen.
#8GREEN00(Topic Creator)Posted 10/8/2012 2:19:57 AM
Vince40 posted...
You forgot The Last Remnant and XIII alone still should have been added despite your opinion of it having massive hate.


There were numerous games I intentionally omitted, due to a lack of quality/very poor reception/etc. XIII was mentioned and I'm certainly not trying to understate its role in the negative perception of JRPGs.
#9lambchipsPosted 10/8/2012 2:20:34 AM
minecraft posted...
it was released in this gens timeline, very very very late into the ps2's life
if you read the topic i was going off this. I count P4 as this gen


oh man, i friggin lol'd
how can people be this stupid is beyond me
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#10minecraftPosted 10/8/2012 2:25:02 AM
so a brand new game, on a dead system a few years into the current gen is considered last gen?
thats like a brand new game getting released on the NES or something and still considering it part of that gen
generation doesnt discriminate by console