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Kotaku: Sony Is Turning into a Ghost in Japan and Around the World

#71PPPPLAASSUMAPosted 11/14/2012 9:00:16 AM
I love how people are saying Sony electronics are "failing" now.

As if the basic design of a bluray or flatscreen TV has changed and now their products are crap. Riiiiight.

It's the same as ever, their consumer electronics are the same, the quality is the same. None of that has changed whatsoever. IDK about their R&D, but something tells me it doesn't matter so much right now when no one is going to buy anything anyway.

One thing that *has* changed is the world economy and Sonys presence in our minds. Because of that we have dumbasses on the internet thinking they know world economics and spout BS when it's just common sense that nearly all companies are in a lull right now.

Sony is about as "dead" from money loss as Microsoft is "dead" from losing out to Apple, which is to say, NOT AT ALL.
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#72retep_onePosted 11/14/2012 9:06:01 AM
awful, sad article from kotaku
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#73itis41269Posted 11/14/2012 9:07:18 AM
Theres only one place to go when your at the top and thats down but that doesnt mean sony is dead just because its products arent selling as well as it once had....haters gonna hate
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#74kuterPosted 11/14/2012 9:19:06 AM
danny5329 posted...
I think the Vita killed them.


pspGO,Vita,those silly 4K resolution TV.
#75deprofundis442Posted 11/14/2012 9:29:10 AM
Rinton posted...
Alltra posted...
Which, in the grand scheme of things, is about 5 minutes. If that.....


That doesn't make any sense at all. In the grand scheme of things it was multiple decades. Sony brought the whole world forward because they were competing with other companies. Other companies in turn brought the excesses of human technology to the consumer in better and more cost effective ways.

Competition is the reason we ever moved out of the Dark Ages. Hell, it's the reason we ever made it to the level of technology we had in the Dark Ages in the first place.


Did you just say competition brought us out of the dark ages? Seriously?
#76archizzyPosted 11/14/2012 9:47:45 AM
PPPPLAASSUMA posted...
I love how people are saying Sony electronics are "failing" now.

As if the basic design of a bluray or flatscreen TV has changed and now their products are crap. Riiiiight.

It's the same as ever, their consumer electronics are the same, the quality is the same. None of that has changed whatsoever. IDK about their R&D, but something tells me it doesn't matter so much right now when no one is going to buy anything anyway.

One thing that *has* changed is the world economy and Sonys presence in our minds. Because of that we have dumbasses on the internet thinking they know world economics and spout BS when it's just common sense that nearly all companies are in a lull right now.

Sony is about as "dead" from money loss as Microsoft is "dead" from losing out to Apple, which is to say, NOT AT ALL.


The problem has never been the quality of their tvs. They have pretty much led the industry on the CRT side of things and into the LCD side of things (not Plasma as they dropped that)

The problem is marketshare and their war with Samsung has beaten their tv division nearly to death.

In the pre flat panel era there were a lot less models to choose from and it was a very mature technology. Costs were down, market share was up

In the LCD era not so much. Just a few short years ago Sony had close to 40 different models in one year trying to please everyone and ultimately pleasing no one. They were dumping money into SED at one time and huge amounts into OLED while continuing to mature LED based LED tech.

Why do you think all these companies have joint ventures with their direct competition? Because factories where they make the panels are huge pricey and are only designed to cut certain sizes of glass.

Why do you think for years Sony and Samsung bought their panels from Sharp? Why do you think Sharp was still in business when no one bought one of their tvs as they were crap for nearly twenty years? It's because they were still in business purely from panel sales to Sony and Samsung.

Sony quality is there. Every year they have pretty much the best LCD (except last year with the Sharp Elite) but their pricing is out of whack.

In 2008 their first full array local dimming XBR8 edged out the Samsung LNA950 as the best LCD of the year. It was also noted to be the worst price per square inch on a tv as it had a price lock of $7,000 for the 55 inch version in the USA.

You could of picked up two 55 inch Samsungs for that price and had nearly identical tv capabilities. Hell for that matter you could of picked up a 60 inch Kuro Elite that had an MSRP of $6,500 but with no price lock and room to negotiate that had easily better picture quality and was a bigger set.

Don't kid yourself. Sony is in trouble but it isn't the doom and gloom scenario of the entire company going away like people try to paint.

What will happen though as there is already massive pressure to do it is Sony will pull out of the flat panel business. It would be a damn shame for that to happen. I don't own a Sony tv and haven't since the CRT days but I am a Home Theatre junkie who has followed this type of stuff for about 25 years and it would be a huge loss to the market and ultimately would be a blow to the tv lovers out there, whether you own a Sony set or not.
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#77chrombotPosted 11/14/2012 10:05:58 AM
deprofundis442 posted...
Rinton posted...
Alltra posted...
Which, in the grand scheme of things, is about 5 minutes. If that.....


That doesn't make any sense at all. In the grand scheme of things it was multiple decades. Sony brought the whole world forward because they were competing with other companies. Other companies in turn brought the excesses of human technology to the consumer in better and more cost effective ways.

Competition is the reason we ever moved out of the Dark Ages. Hell, it's the reason we ever made it to the level of technology we had in the Dark Ages in the first place.


Did you just say competition brought us out of the dark ages? Seriously?


It's true. The innovations developed from the wars in the 15th and 16th centuries pushed us into a new era. Not just wars, but previous models and national pride to do it better. If everyone just sat by with no challenge, who knows where we'd be. Would we have improved or ways to create steel? What kind of printing machine would we have? Or weapons?

So yea, he seriously said that, what dont you understand about it?
#78shawnmckPosted 11/14/2012 10:09:08 AM
Sony's arrogance killed them.
During the PS2 era Sony developed an attitude that they were invincible and that they could do no wrong. They then set out to make the PS3 the most expensive, and purposely made it hard to develop for with the theory that Developers would spend more time on their console (PS3) and that they would completely ignore the competition (XB 360 & Wii).
Even when concerns were brought to their attention Sony reps claimed that it wasn't an issue and made stupid claims like...."it will be so popular that people will steal to get the money to buy one"....&...."we don't need any games at launch, people will still buy it regardless of any games"...and other such stupid comments.
It totally backfired & blew up in their faces.


Sony has since turned around and have done a lot to get back into the good graces of most gamers, but their initial mistakes are still costing them big time...
The PS3 is still expensive to produce and Sony still takes a hit (loss) from every PS3 sold.
While some Developers (exclusive) have discovered ways around the PS3's difficult hardware, many Developers haven't and so they struggle with the PS3's inherent bottle-necks & poor RAM allocation (Skyrim anyone).
Over in Japan, you make such stupid mistakes like cutting your own throat then there is little that they would do other than kick you while you were bleeding out.

Sony did it to themselves.
But while they might be a ghost in Japan, they are still alive & kicking in the West and in other Countries.
Sony's biggest support is in the UK & the USA.
That alone is enough to keep Sony going.

BTW
Microsoft didn't even stand a chance in Japan and has since given up....and it doesn't matter.
The truth is, Japan is no longer the influence & be all place for video games anymore. The West has surpassed Japan, whether some of you choose to believe it or not.
But the days of Japan's dominance in the video-game industry are over.
They are still important, don't get me wrong...but they are no longer the big-dog. Its a fact.

Anyone longing for the days of Japan's dominance & influence in video-games are just being nostalgic.
As is Kotaku.
#79Valkerion757Posted 11/14/2012 10:15:32 AM
This article is about Sony as a whole not just one of their many side brands Playstation.

Also this article is basically just ripped right out of a Japanese news story last year. Its not so much that sony is a dead company but its becoming less and less of the standard name brand of electronics in the household. Kinda like in USA, Ford isnt the main car used anymore dispite being a long loved brand. Simply put, these companies have competition now.

Sony always likes to innovate which is great, its needed, but it makes them bleed money like a hemophilia patient. They rarely have something they can sell right out of the gate, but generally have something they can sell the rights to other companies and make that money. Like the lady interviewed said, "I got a samsung because it was so cheap" which is always sony's main problem, just because its new does not mean people are willing to pay so much for stuff. They are an expensive company but their products are awesome.

Sony is the same situation as game companies and frankly all the other companies in Japan. They don't really get how to be competitive and let thepast success dictate their present business strats without considering how things changed, a bunch of old men in the board room not listening to the great new idea that someone whos only been there a year has thought up is how its done over there, and also why so many problems pop up for no good reason.
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#80redskinStuPosted 11/14/2012 10:17:45 AM
Kotaku is a well-known Xbox troll site. No one cares what they think, say, wear, drink etc.