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Western developers are ruining the gaming industry

#441Devilman_AmonPosted 11/27/2012 10:16:20 AM
deadmarv posted...


As opposed to eastern games which is based mostly on anime/manga/lolli/hentai/tentacle porn?



example :
- Trauma series ( based on hospital theme )
- Ace attorney series ( based on court room )
- Punch out ( based on boxing sport )
-Catherine (cheating/nightmares)


He just gave you examples yet you still spout out BS. Never mind the whole fighting game genre domination, action games and platformers...

Heck theres been games about:

Hacking
Stock exchange (Capcom made this)
running an airport
operating trains
Being a salaryman
and misc tasks
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#442toastedmuffin89(Topic Creator)Posted 11/27/2012 10:50:39 AM
BlackMetalisWar posted...
So which side is winning in this topic? The anti-Japanese dudebros or the weeaboo defense force?

I haven't been keeping track of this topic. Score?


It wouldn't have gone 450 posts if the weeaboo's weren't winning.

That's also a horrible name for this case. When I think of weeaboo I think of Anime.

This has to do with Japanese video games developers. You know the people that made pretty much every successful video game console till Microsoft released xbox.

As much as I don't like anime I'm not going to say the Japanese aren't dominating the video game industry when they are.
#443P00DGEPosted 11/27/2012 10:53:13 AM
Devilman_Amon posted...
P00DGE posted...

Mass Effect, Dragon Age and The Sims did not sell well BECAUSE of that aspect though. If you removed everything else about those games and just kept the romanceable aspects intact, they would have flopped terribly.


Well Japan has the Harukanaru Toki no Naka de (In a Distant Time) RPG's by Koei Tecmo which have conversation dialogue choices and different routes just the same plus of course RPG battles so like Mass Effect & Dragon Age, they are also hybrids of dating simulators and rpgs (well with ME, a TPS with rpg elements), so it's not like that element is a foreign thing in Japan....


Maybe not in Japan, but certainly in America. I am not going to pretend to know what Japanese gamers like most, but their tastes are certainly different. What I do know is that Japanese gamers only make up a percentage of the overall population, not the whole, just like in the States, and I know that dating sims just wouldn't sell well over here. Sure, maybe a game or two from different publishers like Atlus can claim that their highest selling game in the State is a dating sim, but that doesn't mean the game was popular. It means the publisher just doesn't sell as well as other big name developers. You couldn't get a dating sim to sell as well as other genres in the US, because we have different tastes in games. It is a cultural thing (which ties back into how it is not developers that are ruining gaming, but the gamers themselves, but even that is debatable... gaming is being ruined).
#444Blondie425Posted 11/27/2012 11:06:38 AM
There are developers ruining the industry, but it isn't tied to where in the world they're spewing their virtual garbage from.

"Western developer" means a LOT more than just COD, WoW, and Skinner Box Facebook games, just as "Eastern developer" means a LOT more than just Final Fantasy, anime, and Capcom DLC.

Look at the underlying business models and ideologies for the companies referenced far too often in "debates" like these, and you'll see it's best to go on a case-by-case basis.

Seriously, some companies across the different continents need to hang out together and have a few beers sometime to show us, using their own already released work, that the gap's a lot more bridged than many of us currently think. Some names off the top of my head are companies like Runic Games, FROM Software, or CD Projekt.
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#445Godly_GoofPosted 11/27/2012 11:16:40 AM
Devilman_Amon posted...
deadmarv posted...


As opposed to eastern games which is based mostly on anime/manga/lolli/hentai/tentacle porn?



example :
- Trauma series ( based on hospital theme )
- Ace attorney series ( based on court room )
- Punch out ( based on boxing sport )
-Catherine (cheating/nightmares)


He just gave you examples yet you still spout out BS. Never mind the whole fighting game genre domination, action games and platformers...

Heck theres been games about:

Hacking
Stock exchange (Capcom made this)
running an airport
operating trains
Being a salaryman
and misc tasks


Also stuff like harvest moon and Rune factory as well. Which are awesome.
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#446NintendologicalPosted 11/27/2012 11:17:27 AM
grungastzenki posted...

Say anything you like, but the main reason i don't like W games is because 95% of their games is either :

- Shooter games
- Based on old Novel / old comics / old historic event

While J games on the other hand can make everything interesting

example :
- Trauma series ( based on hospital theme )
- Ace attorney series ( based on court room )
- Punch out ( based on boxing sport )


You are clueless. How many Dragon Ball, One Piece, Bleach and Naruto games saturate the market? Dynasty Warriors, and Genji are clearly based on East Asian history and folklore. There are tons of Japanese games based on Japanese history and comic books. It isn't unique to the Western world.

Fun fact; people often retell their history and culture through whatever mediums are available to them at the time. It's called cultural transmission, you ill-informed expatriate-in-the-making. Just because you obsess over a small list of games (Call of Duty, Gears of War, Halo) doesn't mean the alternative content is not out there. Western developers incorporate a number of genres, themes and unique concepts into their games as well.

- Scribblenauts
- Plants vs. Zombies
- Portal
- Fez
- World of Goo
- Minecraft
- The Sims
- Black & White

Everyone is entitled to the expression of opinion and preference. Even ignorance is forgivable, as no one can know everything. We are only ignorant so long as we are unaware of something. However, stupidity is a willed act. Spreading misinformation is foolery. If you are American or native to some European country, I am remarkably disappointed. I am a Black American male, and needless to say, my people have suffered greatly in our effort to fit into a culture that kidnapped our ancestors and even now denies us parity and acceptance. Yet, despite it all, we still strive to simply belong by sharing in the amalgamated culture that defines America. I am an admirer of foreign cultures and people, but I take pride in my culture, regardless of how I came to be a part of it. Then there are those like you who so carelessly cast aside their culture and acceptance, surrendering so easily what others fight so hard for. I digress...
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#447P00DGEPosted 11/27/2012 11:20:37 AM
grungastzenki posted...
P00DGE posted...
AXKSION posted...
western devs couldn't be creative if their lives depended on it


This is actually completely untrue. A vast history of wonderful and creative games since the SNES prove this false immediately, but go ahead and keep living in that bubble of yours.


Say anything you like, but the main reason i don't like W games is because 95% of their games is either :

- Shooter games
- Based on old Novel / old comics / old historic event

(and For the love of god and all living being W devs need to buy some TV and start to create something cool like Heartless , Gnosis , Six god general , Dead Cell , Four elemental , Akatsuki , Juppon katana , etc , etc , etc
instead of using something like skeleton , zombie , dragon , elf , dwarf , etc in infinte loop)

While J games on the other hand can make everything interesting

example :
- Trauma series ( based on hospital theme )
- Ace attorney series ( based on court room )
- Punch out ( based on boxing sport )


If you read through the topic, you would have been presented with numerous high profile Western developed games that were among the best of the best on each consoles timeline, many of which were not shooters or historical events.

To name only a few western developed games:

-Roller Coaster Tycoon
-Donkey Kong Country series
-Banjo Kazooie (Hell, just about every game Rare ever made)
-Assassin's Creed
-Portal
-Burnout
-Elder Scrolls
-Myst
-Prince of Persia
-Diablo
-Starcraft
-Warcraft
-The Witcher
-Tomb Raider
-The Sims
-Arkham Asylum and Arkham City
-Monkey Island
-Age of Empires
-Mortal Kombat
-Guitar Hero
-Plants Vs Zombies
-Max Payne
-Grand Theft Auto
-Rayman

And this isn't even counting the FPS genre, which undeniably DOES have some quality games in it. Maybe you just don't like that genre, or maybe you are tired of how saturated the market is with them, but there are many quality FPS games, and that is a FACT. Games like Half Life (and just about everything Valve makes), Fallout, Mass Effect, ARMA, Bioshock, Dead Space, Halo and more. Atari is also a western developer that was instrumental in launching the video game industry itself. The Moba genre that is the NUMBER ONE most played genre online today was also formed in the US.

TO say that Western developers are ruining the industry and cannot develop any creative or good games is just IGNORANT, plain and simple. The fact it, both the East and the West come up with wonderful ideas, but fanboys on both sides like to pretend only one side or the other is carrying all the weight.

So FFS, lets end this idiotic topic once and for all, because it is just wrong.
#448P00DGEPosted 11/27/2012 11:24:08 AM
Nintendological posted...


- Scribblenauts
- Plants vs. Zombies
- Portal
- Fez
- World of Goo
- Minecraft
- The Sims
- Black & White



This was an excellent little list as well. I can't believe I forgot Minecraft in my list, that is an incredibly wonderful and creative game developed in a Western country.
#449wh0_kn0wsPosted 11/27/2012 11:56:56 AM
Nintendological posted...
Everyone is entitled to the expression of opinion and preference. Even ignorance is forgivable, as no one can know everything. We are only ignorant so long as we are unaware of something. However, stupidity is a willed act. Spreading misinformation is foolery. If you are American or native to some European country, I am remarkably disappointed. I am a Black American male, and needless to say, my people have suffered greatly in our effort to fit into a culture that kidnapped our ancestors and even now denies us parity and acceptance. Yet, despite it all, we still strive to simply belong by sharing in the amalgamated culture that defines America. I am an admirer of foreign cultures and people, but I take pride in my culture, regardless of how I came to be a part of it. Then there are those like you who so carelessly cast aside their culture and acceptance, surrendering so easily what others fight so hard for. I digress...


to be fair, modern united states mainstream culture is an overwhelmingly disappointing state.

as far as video game culture goes, my own, since i was 3, was 99.9% japanese because that's who made a majority of the games starting with the NES era. i don't think it's unnatural for those like me that it continued this way.
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#450Devilman_AmonPosted 11/27/2012 12:05:17 PM
P00DGE posted...
It is a cultural thing (which ties back into how it is not developers that are ruining gaming, but the gamers themselves, but even that is debatable... gaming is being ruined).


You can't say that though when the genre barely was given a chance. And I don't just mean 'dating sims' but Visual Novels (which they cal ADV or Adventure games over there).
Catherine and Hakuoki sold well this year. The majority of the time you spend in ME is done talking thats why I joke and call it a conversation simulator. Even the people who defend ME mention this (when the are trying to say its not a TPS).
Even games like Blazblue which is a fighting game, is heralded for its story mode which is ...basically a visual novel. So the potential for interest certainly is there.
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