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The best JRPG this gen?

#91WOT BSPosted 12/8/2012 11:08:36 AM
the best Japanese roll playing game this gen is Dark Souls, or do you mean an end of the world turn based numbers fighting game with androdgonous pre-teens
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#92XImperialDragonPosted 12/8/2012 11:11:22 AM
This generation? It's Xenoblade. There's no contest about that, at least not from me.

For PS3 only, it's a toss up, I think, between Resonance of Fate (badass combat system for the win) or Graces F. Though, I was entertained a lot more by Demon's Souls.
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#93UnbralPosted 12/8/2012 11:11:34 AM
WOT BS posted...
the best Japanese roll playing game this gen is Dark Souls, or do you mean an end of the world turn based numbers fighting game with androdgonous pre-teens


He probably meant "memetic medieval cliché games with hack 'n' slash and RPG elements with fake difficulty made for pre-teens who can't play Wizardry".
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#94RebornKusabiPosted 12/8/2012 11:19:01 AM
Okay, I am confused with some of the statements here- how is Demon's/ Dark Souls not considered a Japanese Role Playing Game? For the confused individuals, and make no mistake that if you consider Dark Souls not a RPG made by the Japanese then you are confused, here are some definitions-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_video_game
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/role-playing-game-RPG

Also, if you want to argue (I don't), Dark Souls has very Japanese sensibilities that differ from Western role playing game design. Some examples would be, and this is in no way a concise list:

-There is no God, there is nothing after death but fire and blackness
-Old School/"Crushing" difficulty
-Dark Magic isn't evil/Light magic doesn't equal good
-A sense of trial-and-error/ a sense of tactic-developing
-Exploiting enemy and boss weaknesses
-Fair maidens and holy men (different from your Skyrims because that is all bout equal opportunity ass-kicking while DS/DarkS has specifically frail virginal maidens and holy clerics and mages)

I'm sure I could write a thesis on why Dark Souls is a Japanese Role Playing Game, but I think that will do for now since I have gone relatively long. So, yeah, I guess I go back to writing my real paper >_>
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#95Soanevalcke6Posted 12/8/2012 11:23:09 AM
Xenoblade
The Last Story
Radiant Historia

Demon's/Dark Souls does not count, as they are not JRPGs
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#96flagg2kplusPosted 12/8/2012 11:28:26 AM
Demon/Dark Souls are WRPGs not JRPGs.
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#97XImperialDragonPosted 12/8/2012 11:41:29 AM(edited)
From: RebornKusabi
Okay, I am confused with some of the statements here- how is Demon's/ Dark Souls not considered a Japanese Role Playing Game? For the confused individuals, and make no mistake that if you consider Dark Souls not a RPG made by the Japanese then you are confused, here are some definitions-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_video_game
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/role-playing-game-RPG

Also, if you want to argue (I don't), Dark Souls has very Japanese sensibilities that differ from Western role playing game design. Some examples would be, and this is in no way a concise list:

-There is no God, there is nothing after death but fire and blackness
-Old School/"Crushing" difficulty
-Dark Magic isn't evil/Light magic doesn't equal good
-A sense of trial-and-error/ a sense of tactic-developing
-Exploiting enemy and boss weaknesses
-Fair maidens and holy men (different from your Skyrims because that is all bout equal opportunity ass-kicking while DS/DarkS has specifically frail virginal maidens and holy clerics and mages)

I'm sure I could write a thesis on why Dark Souls is a Japanese Role Playing Game, but I think that will do for now since I have gone relatively long. So, yeah, I guess I go back to writing my real paper >_>
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It's because there's two or more schools of thought on the term JRPG. One is simple and the one a lot of people use: JRPG means RPGs developed in Japan/East. It's simple, goes without debate and is functional. Another is more nebulous, leads to arguments over the general concepts and feel of what constitute a JRPG (which is fine when comparing FFVI to Dark Souls, but I have yet to see a group of people agree on Xenoblade outside of the fact that it has a JRPG plot but WRPG combat and customization systems, which... then defining it by the J or W moniker is stupid and a crapshoot, so there's no point). There's a third school of thought that's similar to the last, but they only use JRPG to define the RPGs that come out of Japan that they don't like, and since they like Dark Souls but don't like JRPGs, Dark Souls must be a WRPG. I'm not joking with you, that's almost exactly what a guy explained to me on the Xbox 360 board.

From: flagg2kplus
Demon/Dark Souls are WRPGs not JRPGs.


You can't prove that, and your opinion on what the definition of a JRPG doesn't overwrite what someone else's opinion on what a JRPG is, no matter how much bold you try to use. Not everyone thinks the same way you do on what makes a JRPG. Want to see?

Clicking a link for Japanese Role Playing Games on this page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_video_game

Takes you to this page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Eastern_role-playing_video_games

Eastern role-playing video games are role-playing video games developed in East Asia, including Japan, and, to a lesser extent, South Korea and China.

This link even lays it out, almost exactly as I have above:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EasternRPG

Again, what does this tell you? That just because something is your opinion, doesn't mean that it outweighs anyone else's opinion. You're well on your way to having logical conversation!

Honestly, I say we just ditch the J and W RPG monikers anyway.
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#98ProIoguePosted 12/8/2012 11:41:07 AM
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/western-japanese-rpgs-part-1
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/western-japanese-rpgs-part-2
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/western-japanese-rpgs-part-3

Seriously people, get educated, DSouls is not a JRPG
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#99rodwipeisdeadPosted 12/8/2012 11:42:26 AM
I'm calling Yakuza 3. I don't care if anyone else thinks its an RPG or not.
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#100XImperialDragonPosted 12/8/2012 11:49:10 AM(edited)
From: ProIogue
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/western-japanese-rpgs-part-1
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/western-japanese-rpgs-part-2
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/western-japanese-rpgs-part-3

Seriously people, get educated, DSouls is not a JRPG
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It's cute that you tell other people to get educated when you're using the appeal from authority logical fallacy to say that everyone else's definitions of a word is wrong because it doesn't match Extra Credit's. Whom, they have great concepts and a seemingly logical basis, but their video isn't what defines a term that we use, unfortunately. A mathematician can say that 2+2 = Chair, but that doesn't make him right, now does it?

Someone saying that JRPG/ERPG means it comes from Japan or the East is just as relevant as you saying that Dark Souls is a WRPG because it has WRPG concept. Which, by the way, I'll challenge the hell out of that because there's hardly a single WRPG I've ever played (and I've played an ass ton, from Ultima IV to every DnD combat system'd game to Septerra Core/Anachronox to Dragon Age) that even comes close to playing like Dark Souls. It's closest equivalent, in combat terms, is Monster Hunter. A very, very Japanese game.

Anyway, digression aside: One definition is just as valid as the other, don't lord yours, simply because it is the one you use, as being the only one because, well, you have no basis for that.
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