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#271_EggplantWizardPosted 12/21/2012 5:57:31 AM
Universquall posted...
"Are Americans so insecure that they have to find 18th century letters to validate their beliefs? Oh, look Mom! A dead man agreed with me. Maybe if you dispose the letters in his shopping list you can plainly see he was on my side"


The Constitution and The Bill of Rights are legit. The ideas brought forth in those documents are timeless. Yes, things have changed; we're living in a future that our forefathers could never have imagined. ...but that doesn't make their ideas any less viable.
Just because something is old, that doesn't mean it's useless.
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#272Evel138Posted 12/21/2012 6:03:00 AM
Battleship_Gray posted...
Evel138 posted...
but let's really stretch it to try to prove a point.


There's been an awful lot of stretching by both sides of the debate. Which is one of the chief reasons I opted out.

Very few people seem to be interested in hearing and thinking about what the opposition has to say.


Well, its not a stretch to say that the big scary looking AR-15, right off the shelf isn't all that much different than many other (less aggressive in look) semi-automatic rifle. Its just a convenient boogieman for the anti-gun-absolutely types to further a political agenda through peoples feeling and emotion over logic and reason.

I can understand where you....killak.....and everyone against my perspective on this......I get where your hearts at.....I do truly.....but its those feelings of the heart that will lead one day make it seem reasonable for the Federal Government to take our lives over. I mean, its already starting to happen as we've quickened the march to collectivism.
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#273Evel138Posted 12/21/2012 6:14:59 AM
_EggplantWizard posted...
Universquall posted...
"Are Americans so insecure that they have to find 18th century letters to validate their beliefs? Oh, look Mom! A dead man agreed with me. Maybe if you dispose the letters in his shopping list you can plainly see he was on my side"


The Constitution and The Bill of Rights are legit. The ideas brought forth in those documents are timeless. Yes, things have changed; we're living in a future that our forefathers could never have imagined. ...but that doesn't make their ideas any less viable.
Just because something is old, that doesn't mean it's useless.


Thank you for logic and reason.

Every time I hear the "it was written for a different time" BS, I want to scream. This is most assuredly the perspective and world view of a child.

The Constitution and The Bill of Rights were written of universal truths of mans natural right to freedom and liberty. Before it, the people always lived for the benefit of something else.....the king.....the state.....the church.....the collective. That man has a right to his own individual freedom is a unique feature of the American experience. American exceptionalism.....we're the exception to the rule.

It was once said that America is the last bastion of freedom. No matter what socialized country you happen to find yourself in atm.....make no mistake, once that shining city on the hill falls and the philosophy of the peoples of the world have turned once again to collectivism........well, you cold always move to North Korea now if you're that eager to get to that place......
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#274UniversquallPosted 12/21/2012 6:17:10 AM
Shaun was right.
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#275_EggplantWizardPosted 12/21/2012 6:19:28 AM
Evel138 posted...
_EggplantWizard posted...
Universquall posted...
"Are Americans so insecure that they have to find 18th century letters to validate their beliefs? Oh, look Mom! A dead man agreed with me. Maybe if you dispose the letters in his shopping list you can plainly see he was on my side"


The Constitution and The Bill of Rights are legit. The ideas brought forth in those documents are timeless. Yes, things have changed; we're living in a future that our forefathers could never have imagined. ...but that doesn't make their ideas any less viable.
Just because something is old, that doesn't mean it's useless.


Thank you for logic and reason.

Every time I hear the "it was written for a different time" BS, I want to scream. This is most assuredly the perspective and world view of a child.

The Constitution and The Bill of Rights were written of universal truths of mans natural right to freedom and liberty. Before it, the people always lived for the benefit of something else.....the king.....the state.....the church.....the collective. That man has a right to his own individual freedom is a unique feature of the American experience. American exceptionalism.....we're the exception to the rule.

It was once said that America is the last bastion of freedom. No matter what socialized country you happen to find yourself in atm.....make no mistake, once that shining city on the hill falls and the philosophy of the peoples of the world have turned once again to collectivism........well, you cold always move to North Korea now if you're that eager to get to that place......


I totally agree with you.
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#276Battleship_GrayPosted 12/21/2012 6:19:54 AM
The "anti" crowd aren't the only ones going off of emotion and ignoring "logic and reason" and personally I find your whole argument to be a slippery-slope argument based on vague future conjecture and guessing games about what "could" happen.

That's not a debate in which I can participate in because one can't successfully debate conjecture based on possible, nebulous, future events. As I said earlier, a conversation that only has extreme scenarios and no middle ground isn't a conversation much worth having.

I stand by my opinion that very few people are interested in any sort of genuine debate on the matter. It's more a case of folks' minds already being made up and then battering the opposition with their viewpoint.

*shrug*

I found out that Greer got banned. At least something of worth came from this topic.
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#277ace_two_maxPosted 12/21/2012 6:26:46 AM
MourningReigns posted...
crazyman32 posted...
This is just a waste of time


Almost as big of a waste of time as playing gun games. Dum dum chi!


Not a waste of time if you enjoy doing it.
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#278Evel138Posted 12/21/2012 6:29:15 AM
Battleship_Gray posted...
The "anti" crowd aren't the only ones going off of emotion and ignoring "logic and reason" and personally I find your whole argument to be a slippery-slope argument based on vague future conjecture and guessing games about what "could" happen.

That's not a debate in which I can participate in because one can't successfully debate conjecture based on possible, nebulous, future events. As I said earlier, a conversation that only has extreme scenarios and no middle ground isn't a conversation much worth having.

I stand by my opinion that very few people are interested in any sort of genuine debate on the matter. It's more a case of folks' minds already being made up and then battering the opposition with their viewpoint.

*shrug*

I found out that Greer got banned. At least something of worth came from this topic.


Do me this favor....look into the real, practical , applicable difference between a AR-15 right of the shelf and any other, less aggressive looking, semi-automatic hunting rifle. Its negligible at best.....but the "anti" crowd can obviously use it (as a boogieman) to great affect on the "middle ground" guys as they view this issue through the lens of emotion.
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#279ace_two_maxPosted 12/21/2012 6:30:28 AM
I tell you want, get NRA to lay down their guns for one day and I'll put my controller down for a.... minute, wait games don't kill people, unless you managed to slice their throat wit the disk...




never mind.
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#280Battleship_GrayPosted 12/21/2012 6:39:34 AM
That's what I mean. I made a single mention of an AR and that's all you're fixating on. You've thrown it back at me multiple times.

Know this, I am a gun enthusiast. I own a Mossberg 500 Home Defense model and a .380 Colt Mustang Pocketlite. I own every edition of the Shooter's Bible since 1999 and multiple editions of the Gun Trader's Guide. I'm not personally naive or ignorant about firearms. Some of them make practical sense to have, some don't (IMO).

I mean you're going on about your opposition being emotional but your strong emotions on the issue are preventing you from taking in any differing viewpoint.

Again: Very few people in this thread are interested in a debate versus strenuously beating the opposition over the head with their view.

At this point I really am going to bow out and do my best to never open this thread again. Some conversations you don't have with incidental friends; politics, religion, race. Somewhere along the line I forgot about that.

...and there's a thread about pornstars. I'll have much more fun posting in that for awhile.
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