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Do you agree with this Best RPG Ever list?

#291DemonDog666Posted 12/30/2012 9:52:50 PM
-Damien- posted...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=503191

20. Demon's Souls
19. Witcher 2
18. Paper Mario
17. Suikoden 2
16. FFX
15. Valkyria Chronicles
14. KOTOR
13. Mass Effect
12. FFXII
11. Pokemon Gold/Silver/Whatever
10. Final Fantasy Tactics
9. Baldurs Gate 2
8. Final Fantasy VII
7. Final Fantasy IX
6. Planescape Torment
5. Dark Souls
4. Xenoblade Chronicles
3. Final Fantasy VI
2. Persona 4
1. Chrono Trigger

For me, it's yes and no.

Yes I like the fact that the 2 Souls games made it to the list.
No, I don't like that they rank too low. Persona 4 or Xenoblade over Dark Souls, gimme a break. and Demon's Souls number twenty, that's a ******** joke


Not even close, for starters they got the order of the soul games wrong demon souls is better then dark, second how is demon so far from dark in the first place and what is FFXII, FFX, Paper Mario, Witcher 2 and Mass Effect doing on the list at all?
#292ChicagoTed_Posted 12/30/2012 10:38:35 PM
Riot55555 posted...
If you think FF7 is bad, you definitely did not play it when it was released. It changed the videogame industry when it launched. Playing it years later, it's easy to find faults in it, but it's still a juggernaut.


I don't mean to discredit your opinion, because you wrote well, and without insult. However, I did play Final Fantasy 7 when it was released. I found it lacking, and I was particularly annoyed by its protagonist, unmoved by its antagonist, and bored by its plot.

I find these faults to be even more glaring upon replay. VI and X (despite Tidus) are much better games.
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#293mmpepsiPosted 12/31/2012 12:01:57 AM
ChicagoTed_ posted...
Riot55555 posted...
If you think FF7 is bad, you definitely did not play it when it was released. It changed the videogame industry when it launched. Playing it years later, it's easy to find faults in it, but it's still a juggernaut.


I don't mean to discredit your opinion, because you wrote well, and without insult. However, I did play Final Fantasy 7 when it was released. I found it lacking, and I was particularly annoyed by its protagonist, unmoved by its antagonist, and bored by its plot.

I find these faults to be even more glaring upon replay. VI and X (despite Tidus) are much better games.


I can understand where you're coming from with VI even if I don't agree with it being better, but X? Come on now. That's probably one of the worst out of them all. Awful awful characters. All of them. The story was also pretty bad.
#294ukokira1Posted 12/31/2012 12:03:37 AM
*sees not TWEWY or MOTHER series...* unagreed
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#295MHNetioPosted 12/31/2012 12:18:11 AM
ChicagoTed_ posted...
Riot55555 posted...
If you think FF7 is bad, you definitely did not play it when it was released. It changed the videogame industry when it launched. Playing it years later, it's easy to find faults in it, but it's still a juggernaut.


I don't mean to discredit your opinion, because you wrote well, and without insult. However, I did play Final Fantasy 7 when it was released. I found it lacking, and I was particularly annoyed by its protagonist, unmoved by its antagonist, and bored by its plot.

I find these faults to be even more glaring upon replay. VI and X (despite Tidus) are much better games.


I think one of the selling points for the game is actually one of it's flaws. Like you mentioned the protagonist is lackluster. However as you play the game you find out that he is just pretending to be someone more awesome. Which is a nice move in a story-telling arc.

And then you never get to use this person who is rather awesome. The real hero of the game is dead and you only find out this backstory information through missable content. Cloud's personality sucks because he has no personality and he becomes an amalgamation of the ones he looks up to and distant because of what happened and out of survival (I guess). Nice story-telling move for a character, but balls-out boring and aggravating in execution.
#296DrakillionPosted 12/31/2012 12:32:53 AM
Not a bad list in my opinion. Some games will be rated a bit higher, some lower. Needs some Dragon's Dogma, Persona 4: Golden, KOTOR, Earthbound, Pokemon Yellow and a plethora of other games but that's just me.
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#297KarnRX78Posted 12/31/2012 12:33:43 AM
Missing Star Ocean 3 Till the End of Time. If you haven't played that game you need to it is worth it. Personally I think Persona 3 FES is better than Persona 4, but Persona 3 wouldn't be number 2 on my list, 3 or 4 perhaps. I'd have FF12 higher in my list, it would be top 5 for me if Vaan never existed in the game. I'm still trying to figure out why he is in the game, I felt like the game would have been better from Ashe's perspective.

As for FFVII there is a lot of nostalgia with that game. That game is a watershed game, it just changed things. Yeah Cloud is rather lifeless, the story is a little messy, but it has it's moments. That is why SE won't remake it, it would ruin the charm of the game. I'd rather see them remake VIII and IX. That is why so many people have FFVII as their favorite in the series though. VI and IX are a heck of a lot better in terms of solid story and characters.
#298GrabacrLeaderPosted 12/31/2012 1:01:13 AM
Nope, I don't agree with NeoGAF, especially when it comes to FFXII love and FFXIII bashing.
#299-Damien-(Topic Creator)Posted 12/31/2012 8:16:12 AM
bump
#300SinfullyvannilaPosted 12/31/2012 8:33:18 AM
jrr18 posted...
En Sabah Nur posted...
Mass Effect 1 is the worst in the series (don't gimme that "the others aren't even RPGs" nonsense, they have way better characters, scenarios, and choices than the first game did).

Paper Mario is garbage compared to Super Mario RPG.

FFXII has no place on there, nor does Persona 4, nor does Pokemon.

Xenogears should probably be there somewhere. And one of the Fallout games (the original perhaps?). Dragon Age: Origins should have some mention also.

I agree that Dark Souls should be there, but I would rather see Demon's Souls off the list to make room for something more deserving.


You are so wrong about mass effect one being the worst it's not even funny here look at this one.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2009/06/23/mass-effect-galaxy-review


He was right about Mass Effect, but SOOOO wrong about Paper Mario, FFXII, P4 and Pokemon.

How do you have a top RPG list without Pokemon? That's absurd!
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