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Guns or Games? Which would you choose to go?

#291Lefty128kPosted 1/20/2013 3:10:58 AM
656stooge posted...
You post all those stories about bent cops Lefty128k, but correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't all those things happen in the US where you're free to own guns?!!!!

So how the hell is that relevant if your guns didn't do jack ****?

Stop pulling crap out your butt. No one is claiming that crime would mysteriously vanish with a gun ban. But it would sure as hell be a start at lowering gun related homicides.


I was demonstrating that cops simply cannot be trusted with all the guns to counter the poster I was quoting. Perhaps next time you should read the quoted parts as well.

Vigilantism is illegal.
We can't just arbitrarily decide that people are guilty and shoot them, that isn't justice. It also isn't the Founding purpose of firearm ownership. Rogue cops do not a tyrannical government make. They do nicely illustrate that governments and their agents are not any more responsible with firearms than anyone else.

I've shown time and again with actual statistics, not just "pulling crap out your butt", that gun bans don't lower crime rates they raise them. Why resort to lying about the evidence I have in fact presented and claim I'm just making things up?

If gun bans work, then the government can lead by example.
#292calhoun1389Posted 1/20/2013 3:11:33 AM
From: Wario_man | #289
I said the sole reason guns were invented was to kill, you said the sole reason an alcoholic beverage was invented was to get drunk. I'm saying that couldn't have been the case and even now people only have one or two beers/wines at dinner, if that and though people probably got drunk back in ancient times I doubt that was the intent when it was first invented.

I didn't say it was invented solely to get drunk, I said it was made to. Since, you know, a case sitting on a shelf right now was made a month ago if not longer, the statement remains true, that case was made solely to get people buzzed/drunk. It continues to be made for that purpose despite our technology advancing to the point where we can get the same taste without adding a single drop of that vile, dangerous liquid to the drinks.

As for the intent of the "inventor," we may never know. For all we know, he could have killed an animal (say, an elephant) that was fermenting fruit, drank said beverage and decided to recreate that drink to emulate that buzzed/drunk feeling he got from the primitive drink. Hell, he might have thought that being drunk made him more in tune with spirits (as some ancient cultures believed smoking pot did) or his discovery could have been entirely accidental (much like pot likely was)... we'll never know.
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#293Lefty128kPosted 1/20/2013 3:31:23 AM
julio77777 posted...
Lefty128k posted...
julio77777 posted...
When your kid gets shot just because some unstable person had his "right to bear arms" maybe your view will change...

You don't need guns to protect yourself, firearms possession should be limited to law enforcement only.


Oh look, you can disgustingly use children to promote your political views. Just like the president just did. Do you use children like that often?

Oh okay cops only get guns...you mean like the BART cop Johannes Mehserle who shot a handcuffed man laying on his belly, in the back.

These cops shot an elk and covered it up. Like criminals do.
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/cops-face-charges-killing-elk-220848858--abc-news-topstories.html

Former cop gropes 2 women.
http://www.mynews3.com/content/news/story/Ex-cop-accused-of-groping-women-gets-two-year/AgUiL_Gzr0CeIRW7puh01Q.cspx

Police chief hit with sexual harassment suit.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/16/3185158/school-police-chief-hit-with-sex.html

3 Chicago cops charged, rob drug dealer and sell his cocaine.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/trio-charged-robbed-dealers-sold-cocaine-article-1.1241750

Boston cop charged with rape.
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/01/14/boston-police-officer-charged-with-rape/9in8IjPbZJk3KZqibhG8nJ/story.html

Officer fired for carrying guns while drunk.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-01-14/news/fl-margate-cop-terminated-20130114_1_margate-police-police-officer-fort-lauderdale-police

Trooper steals weed.
http://www.walb.com/story/20604285/ex-trooper-indicted-for-stealing-marijuana

trooper charged in mob trash hauling scam.
http://www.lohud.com/article/20130117/NEWS05/301170067?nclick_check=1

These are the people who you want to have all the guns.


So your point is ?

There WILL be abuse, some people with power abuse it that's human nature. But you can limit the damage.

And I don't use children I state facts, how many school shootings do you need until you see it ???

Now try to imagine if one of the victims were your kid how would YOU feel about guns for everyone ?
What's disgusting is that people cling to a right they don't need while kids get shot !


The way to limit damage is the ability to make the damaging party stop. That's what the Founding Fathers gave us in the form of the Second Amendment.

Are these facts?

When your kid gets shot just because some unstable person had his "right to bear arms" maybe your view will change...

Now try to imagine if one of the victims were your kid how would YOU feel about guns for everyone ?


Or is that you trying to make an emotional appeal by using the imagery of children?

Tell Suzanna Hupp she didn't need a gun.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp

You like bringing children into this so much, here you go....

Tell it to the children victims of the Merced Pitchfork murders.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/poe/poe1.html

Tell it to this 15 year old boy who used an "assault rifle" to defend himself.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/09/15-Year-Old-Boy-Uses-AR-15-To-Defend-House-Against-Burglars

You tell me where the cops were to save these people.
#294BaseChouGokuPosted 1/20/2013 3:42:55 AM(edited)
fourteen-year-old Jessica Carpenter had been left in charge to look after her four siblings, Anna, 13; Vanessa, 11; Ashley, 9; and John, 7. Their father had left for work. Their mother had taken the car to get the brakes checked.

That was a Wednesday morning. Why did the parents leave their kids unattended? At least the mom should have taken the kids with her or gone later to have her brakes done.

My cousin left her house once to get Chinese food for 10 minutes leaving her two children behind, one 2 years old, the other 5. What happened? the 5 yr old got hold of a lighter and the house burned down killing the younger one. Moral? Dont leave your kids unattended.
#295Lefty128kPosted 1/20/2013 3:40:12 AM
BaseChouGoku posted...
Lefty128k posted...
BaseChouGoku posted...
Lefty128k posted...

If the point is "saving the children" than shouldn't we look at the biggest "problem" first?


Once again you want to ignore the topic at hand to suite your own personal fetish


I've done anything but ignore this topic. The amount and content of my posts prove that.

Having the company of about 100,000,000 other Americans, I'd hardly call it a personal fetish.


By ignore I mean derail the issue by pointing the finger at other causes of death.

and by personal I meant you You there shining your gun as if it were a phallic symbol trying to overcompensate for your shortcomings...


Oh okay. Now presenting facts and evidence is self-gratification...lol.

You say I'm derailing issues, you've fallen off the tracks of reality.
#296Lefty128kPosted 1/20/2013 3:42:23 AM
BaseChouGoku posted...
Why did the parents leave their kids unattended?


Read the articles and find out for yourself.
#297BaseChouGokuPosted 1/20/2013 3:43:34 AM
Lefty128k posted...
BaseChouGoku posted...
Why did the parents leave their kids unattended?


Read the articles and find out for yourself.


I did. I would never leave kids unattended
#298BaseChouGokuPosted 1/20/2013 3:45:18 AM
Lefty128k posted...


Oh okay. Now presenting facts and evidence is self-gratification...lol.

You say I'm derailing issues, you've fallen off the tracks of reality.


What facts? Where did you pull 100,000 from? That's not even accurate....
#299gilv3rPosted 1/20/2013 3:50:34 AM
Any sane person would pick guns lol.
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#300julio77777Posted 1/20/2013 3:55:54 AM
Lefty128k posted...
The way to limit damage is the ability to make the damaging party stop. That's what the Founding Fathers gave us in the form of the Second Amendment.

Are these facts?

When your kid gets shot just because some unstable person had his "right to bear arms" maybe your view will change...

Now try to imagine if one of the victims were your kid how would YOU feel about guns for everyone ?


Or is that you trying to make an emotional appeal by using the imagery of children?

Tell Suzanna Hupp she didn't need a gun.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp

You like bringing children into this so much, here you go....

Tell it to the children victims of the Merced Pitchfork murders.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/poe/poe1.html

Tell it to this 15 year old boy who used an "assault rifle" to defend himself.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/09/15-Year-Old-Boy-Uses-AR-15-To-Defend-House-Against-Burglars

You tell me where the cops were to save these people.


Seriously ? You pull some stories where guns saved people okay I could pull twice as many where some kid got a hold of his parents' gun and shot himself or another kid accidentally... Yeah let's put guns in kid's hands right !

The main point is : you don't need guns to protect yourself, in many countries people don't have guns at home and live perfectly well with it.

Maybe you are a very responsible person but not everyone is like you, and those person shouldn't possess guns even if it means taking yours away. That's my point of view, but this is futile since that won't happen anyway. At least not yet.