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#71ZombiDeadZombiPosted 2/1/2013 9:07:21 PM
jubjub360 posted...
ZombiDeadZombi posted...
The atmosphere in DS1/2/3 definitely makes up some of the horror. You are in cramped tight places with poor lighting, some areas nearly totally dark, and eerie music/background noise with things that go bump in the night.

I wouldn't say the atmosphere is what makes it horror, but it plays a big part in it, something someone with a completely dark room with a good sound system (or an awesome headset) can attest to.

Dead Space 3 on the other hand, has snowy environments for maybe 5% of the game (this I know personally), the remaining 95% is in similar cramped corridors with eerie lighting, eerie background noise and little lighting.

The horror genre encompasses much more than gore,and taking everything into account in the Dead Space games it is very deep into the horror genre.

Jump scares, gore, monsters, mutilation, creepy atmosphere all fall heavily into the horror realm, and anyone who says that the only thing it has going for it in the horror genre is gore, is not a fan of the horror genre.


Oh so you are the one who dictates who is a fan and who isn't? Here let me try: Anyone who thinks that jump scares is horror and not thriller is wrong and is not a true fan of horror.

Godzilla has monsters in it.

Se7en has creepy environments in it.

The X Files I want to Believe and the movie before it has some jump scares in it.

Notice a pattern? Godzilla isn't a horror movie, neither is Se7en (as a matter of fact it counts as a thriller), and X Files is a thriller as well.

Dead Space is not a horror. Maybe if they took out the flashlight then it would be more of a horror since then it does give more of the sense of dread. The *only* thing that makes it horror is the mutilation and gore. That's all.


Now you are just being silly and obnoxious.
#72spectermaster14Posted 2/1/2013 9:24:34 PM
From: ZombiDeadZombi | #071
jubjub360 posted...
ZombiDeadZombi posted...
The atmosphere in DS1/2/3 definitely makes up some of the horror. You are in cramped tight places with poor lighting, some areas nearly totally dark, and eerie music/background noise with things that go bump in the night.

I wouldn't say the atmosphere is what makes it horror, but it plays a big part in it, something someone with a completely dark room with a good sound system (or an awesome headset) can attest to.

Dead Space 3 on the other hand, has snowy environments for maybe 5% of the game (this I know personally), the remaining 95% is in similar cramped corridors with eerie lighting, eerie background noise and little lighting.

The horror genre encompasses much more than gore,and taking everything into account in the Dead Space games it is very deep into the horror genre.

Jump scares, gore, monsters, mutilation, creepy atmosphere all fall heavily into the horror realm, and anyone who says that the only thing it has going for it in the horror genre is gore, is not a fan of the horror genre.


Oh so you are the one who dictates who is a fan and who isn't? Here let me try: Anyone who thinks that jump scares is horror and not thriller is wrong and is not a true fan of horror.

Godzilla has monsters in it.

Se7en has creepy environments in it.

The X Files I want to Believe and the movie before it has some jump scares in it.

Notice a pattern? Godzilla isn't a horror movie, neither is Se7en (as a matter of fact it counts as a thriller), and X Files is a thriller as well.

Dead Space is not a horror. Maybe if they took out the flashlight then it would be more of a horror since then it does give more of the sense of dread. The *only* thing that makes it horror is the mutilation and gore. That's all.


Now you are just being silly and obnoxious.


This. Stop it. Don't make me hate horror fans more than I already do. It'd be great if I could have one hobby slightly less ruined by the elitist internet circlejerking.zx
#73jubjub360Posted 2/1/2013 9:28:54 PM
spectermaster14 posted...
From: ZombiDeadZombi | #071
jubjub360 posted...
ZombiDeadZombi posted...
The atmosphere in DS1/2/3 definitely makes up some of the horror. You are in cramped tight places with poor lighting, some areas nearly totally dark, and eerie music/background noise with things that go bump in the night.

I wouldn't say the atmosphere is what makes it horror, but it plays a big part in it, something someone with a completely dark room with a good sound system (or an awesome headset) can attest to.

Dead Space 3 on the other hand, has snowy environments for maybe 5% of the game (this I know personally), the remaining 95% is in similar cramped corridors with eerie lighting, eerie background noise and little lighting.

The horror genre encompasses much more than gore,and taking everything into account in the Dead Space games it is very deep into the horror genre.

Jump scares, gore, monsters, mutilation, creepy atmosphere all fall heavily into the horror realm, and anyone who says that the only thing it has going for it in the horror genre is gore, is not a fan of the horror genre.


Oh so you are the one who dictates who is a fan and who isn't? Here let me try: Anyone who thinks that jump scares is horror and not thriller is wrong and is not a true fan of horror.

Godzilla has monsters in it.

Se7en has creepy environments in it.

The X Files I want to Believe and the movie before it has some jump scares in it.

Notice a pattern? Godzilla isn't a horror movie, neither is Se7en (as a matter of fact it counts as a thriller), and X Files is a thriller as well.

Dead Space is not a horror. Maybe if they took out the flashlight then it would be more of a horror since then it does give more of the sense of dread. The *only* thing that makes it horror is the mutilation and gore. That's all.


Now you are just being silly and obnoxious.


This. Stop it. Don't make me hate horror fans more than I already do. It'd be great if I could have one hobby slightly less ruined by the elitist internet circlejerking.zx


So I explain why Dead Space isn't a horror and back it up with what horror is, then get insulted for it (and yes, by saying that I'm not a fan of horror because I don't believe your wrong definition of it is an insult) and provide movies that destroy his argument and I'm the elitist internet circle jerk? Great logic there.
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#74spectermaster14Posted 2/1/2013 9:38:19 PM
From: jubjub360 | #073
spectermaster14 posted...
From: ZombiDeadZombi | #071
jubjub360 posted...
ZombiDeadZombi posted...
The atmosphere in DS1/2/3 definitely makes up some of the horror. You are in cramped tight places with poor lighting, some areas nearly totally dark, and eerie music/background noise with things that go bump in the night.

I wouldn't say the atmosphere is what makes it horror, but it plays a big part in it, something someone with a completely dark room with a good sound system (or an awesome headset) can attest to.

Dead Space 3 on the other hand, has snowy environments for maybe 5% of the game (this I know personally), the remaining 95% is in similar cramped corridors with eerie lighting, eerie background noise and little lighting.

The horror genre encompasses much more than gore,and taking everything into account in the Dead Space games it is very deep into the horror genre.

Jump scares, gore, monsters, mutilation, creepy atmosphere all fall heavily into the horror realm, and anyone who says that the only thing it has going for it in the horror genre is gore, is not a fan of the horror genre.


Oh so you are the one who dictates who is a fan and who isn't? Here let me try: Anyone who thinks that jump scares is horror and not thriller is wrong and is not a true fan of horror.

Godzilla has monsters in it.

Se7en has creepy environments in it.

The X Files I want to Believe and the movie before it has some jump scares in it.

Notice a pattern? Godzilla isn't a horror movie, neither is Se7en (as a matter of fact it counts as a thriller), and X Files is a thriller as well.

Dead Space is not a horror. Maybe if they took out the flashlight then it would be more of a horror since then it does give more of the sense of dread. The *only* thing that makes it horror is the mutilation and gore. That's all.


Now you are just being silly and obnoxious.


This. Stop it. Don't make me hate horror fans more than I already do. It'd be great if I could have one hobby slightly less ruined by the elitist internet circlejerking.zx


So I explain why Dead Space isn't a horror and back it up with what horror is, then get insulted for it (and yes, by saying that I'm not a fan of horror because I don't believe your wrong definition of it is an insult) and provide movies that destroy his argument and I'm the elitist internet circle jerk? Great logic there.


Yes, because you're trying too hard to disclude products from a particular genre. It's elitist nonsense that's all too common. It's the the "X isn't horror, it's just torture porn!" nonsense in a new wrapper.
#75jubjub360Posted 2/1/2013 9:42:10 PM
Yes, because you're trying too hard to disclude products from a particular genre. It's elitist nonsense that's all too common. It's the the "X isn't horror, it's just torture porn!" nonsense in a new wrapper.


Ok fine then. Dead Space is horror only because of the gore. Does that make you happy? I'm not discluding the product from the particular genre.

Great counterarguments for both you and Zombi though.

"Oh he's elitest because he doesn't agree with us and he actually has a well thought out and discussable argument, but because we have nothing, he is different!"
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#76spectermaster14Posted 2/1/2013 9:48:47 PM
You're not this dense, I don't believe that's possible. You're being obscenely ignorant and you know it. Your argument disqualifies ninety percent of horror films, literature, and games from being horror. Friday the 13th isn't horror, it's just a bunch of kills strung together. The Thing isn't horror, it's just gore. Alien wasn't horror, it just had a dark spaceship and a monster. (Hilarious considering the Dead Space argument) Horror comedy? Not scary, must not be horror. Horror fans are horrible. Stop making me accept that.
#77ZombiDeadZombiPosted 2/1/2013 9:51:36 PM
jubjub360 posted...
Yes, because you're trying too hard to disclude products from a particular genre. It's elitist nonsense that's all too common. It's the the "X isn't horror, it's just torture porn!" nonsense in a new wrapper.


Ok fine then. Dead Space is horror only because of the gore. Does that make you happy? I'm not discluding the product from the particular genre.

Great counterarguments for both you and Zombi though.

"Oh he's elitest because he doesn't agree with us and he actually has a well thought out and discussable argument, but because we have nothing, he is different!"


Your well thought out argument is flawed and illogical.

Taking certain aspects from movies is ridiculous.

Dead Space isn't horror because of 1 thing from a genre,and when it comes to horror games in particular, the whole is more than the sum of its parts.

Godzilla may not be a monster movie, but it has a monster, or monsters, which place it in the horror realm. Se7en has gore and suspense, which while not being horror is also in the horror realm.

The X-File movies, while not being horror themselves, fall into the sci-fi horror area because of the content itself, and the show even goes further into the horror realm with a lot of episodes.

You can pick and choose all you want, but the entirety of Dead Space not only puts it in the horror realm, but makes it horror.

You are the first person I have ever heard of that doesn't consider it horror, so I think you are way off the mark fan or no fan.
#78jubjub360Posted 2/1/2013 10:04:29 PM
You're not this dense, I don't believe that's possible. You're being obscenely ignorant and you know it. Your argument disqualifies ninety percent of horror films, literature, and games from being horror. Friday the 13th isn't horror, it's just a bunch of kills strung together. The Thing isn't horror, it's just gore. Alien wasn't horror, it just had a dark spaceship and a monster. (Hilarious considering the Dead Space argument) Horror comedy? Not scary, must not be horror. Horror fans are horrible. Stop making me accept that.


I got a question: Did you even read my original argument? Because the way you're talking is proving to me that it's not.

By today's definition of horror, all of those are indeed horror (and you brought up Alien. I laughed at this)

Here let me discuss Alien and why it is the perfect example of horror (and you'll probably end up going back and watching it again to see what I'm talking about): In the whole movie Alien, the only time you actually see the Alien is when it pops out of one of the crewmember's chest (By the way this isn't the alien. It's called a chestburster for a reason) and at the end of the movie. Why? Because throughout the whole movie, they are trying to play with your mind. "What does it look like?" Because of that, it gives the viewer the ability to try and create it in their head. Use their imagination. First time I saw a scene from the movie, I was scared s***less (I was born way after it was released). Why? Because I didn't know what the hell I was looking at! I had nightmares about the thing with the double mouth (the scene was the first person to get killed by the alien, not counting the chestburster. Now they couldn't do this tactic in the other movies. Why? Because you already knew what it looked like from the first movie.

Lets take a look at The Thing (1982):
A creature that never really had a shape to begin with is able to copy what an organic creature would look like. Why is this true horror? Because, if you never watched it before, you never knew who the hell it was. You never knew when it would come out and kill someone, and another thing: Remember when it would take shapes of different things after being discovered? That was horror because You never knew what the hell it was going to look like. Man that collapsed chest scene is pretty damn cool though.

Friday the 13th:
Horror because you never knew exactly how he was going to kill. A theory I have of the series and why it's horror though, this is up for argument of course and I'm not going to downplay other's people's perspectives: Jason and I mean true Jason, not that one who was a guy dressed up as him, killed teenagers who acted like the camp counselors at Crystal Lake. Notice how most of the people who are killed are the ones obsessed with sex and alcohol. Why is this horror? Because if you're a teenager doing this, Jason was the equivalent of the boogeyman of teens everywhere. If you do bad, Jason will get you.
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#79thisranksPosted 2/1/2013 10:23:51 PM
killak posted...
From: MyWifeBeatsMe | #064
At least EA only has Western Game developers and stays far away from the abomination of that one genre that is JRPGs

I will continue to support EA seeing how they make great Western Games and I believe Western Games will continue to innovate and move the gaming industry forward while Japan is slowing the industry down.


Lord of the Rings: The Third Age


It's good to be reminded why the poster killak quoted "made the list". That said, i actually enjoyed that specific LoTR game.

As long as i'm not forced to buy any of the DLC i don't see what the problem is. The most this would have an effect on is how quickly people finish the game and trophy lists, and if you allow yourself to be angered over someone purchasing DLC to beat you to a platinum trophy you have bigger issues to deal with than hating on EA even if what they are doing might be something you don't agree with.
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#80killakPosted 2/1/2013 10:34:09 PM
From: thisranks | #079
It's good to be reminded why the poster killak quoted "made the list". That said, i actually enjoyed that specific LoTR game.


Yeah it's a good game, but is definitely JRPG styled, so I felt it worth a mention
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