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Guns don't kill people. Video games do. Really CNN?

#121hockeybub89Posted 2/3/2013 11:52:28 AM(edited)
StolzPhoenix posted...
Lol my favorite part about the violent video games influencing people IRL arguement is all the responses who day it's ridiculous clearly because they like video games and not because they actually put any thought into it.

Media influences society it's that simple. Did the video game itself kill anyone? No, but does constant exposure to violence in a persons life make it easier for them to entertain violent thoughts and more acceptable to do violent things? Yes.


It makes it easier provided that they are already predisposed to violence. In my freshman year of high school, I played almost nothing but GTA San Andreas, while also getting bullied half the year, and I never even entertained the idea of shooting up the place. Either I'm abnormal or the mass murderers are.
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#122thedarklordx3Posted 2/3/2013 11:53:33 AM
StolzPhoenix posted...
Lol my favorite part about the violent video games influencing people IRL arguement is all the responses who day it's ridiculous clearly because they like video games and not because they actually put any thought into it.

Media influences society it's that simple. Did the video game itself kill anyone? No, but does constant exposure to violence in a persons life make it easier for them to entertain violent thoughts and more acceptable to do violent things? Yes.


the same logic is used when talking about teen pregnancy, and yet the most prudish/puritan states have the highest rates

currently I'm watching an anime with violence, and all I want to do is become a trained child soldier sent to earth from the colonies piloting a mobile suit made of gundanium and liberate humanity and it's colonies from the tyranny of OZ and the united earth sphere alliance

/sarcasm
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#123GunzleaderPosted 2/3/2013 12:16:17 PM
and no one gives a heart out to the folks who will lose there job at assault rifle manufacturers... the nra better take care of this situation fast... use everything they can do anything they can.. within the law of course.
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#124Bronze_StuffPosted 2/3/2013 12:19:16 PM
StolzPhoenix posted...
Lol my favorite part about the violent video games influencing people IRL arguement is all the responses who day it's ridiculous clearly because they like video games and not because they actually put any thought into it.

Media influences society it's that simple. Did the video game itself kill anyone? No, but does constant exposure to violence in a persons life make it easier for them to entertain violent thoughts and more acceptable to do violent things? Yes.


That's debatable. The person could have already had violent tendencies and thus was attracted to violent games as a result. That's why it's stupid to say "video games cause this," because even if the person were inspired by video games to do something violent, the answer is that they should have not been allowed to play them if their mind wasn't mature enough to handle the notion of violence in video games. Even worse, is that most of the time the violent things people do as a result of "video games" are even worse than any violence than the video games.
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#125thesnoopmeisterPosted 2/3/2013 12:21:37 PM
Gunzleader posted...
and no one gives a heart out to the folks who will lose there job at assault rifle manufacturers... the nra better take care of this situation fast... use everything they can do anything they can.. within the law of course.


Maybe if the NRA gave a heart out to those that get murdered.
#126SakurafanboyPosted 2/3/2013 12:50:36 PM
If Free Will is a hoax the my girlfriend would've been in jail years ago, but has never once been put behind bars. She's been living a hard, agonizing life. I won't go into specifics here because its really personal stuff, but early last year (around May) she had an appointment with a psychologist and after the meeting he said to her "you're lucky, most people in your situation would be in jail by now." so that goes to say that if Free Will didn't exist, her life would've caused her subconscious mind to react in a bad way, a way that would jail her for years, if not her entire life.

However, she's free as a bird. Never once broke the law or had a cop ever talk to her. She chose to behave even though most would have snapped and killed, or at least maimed, a to of people. So she is an excellent proof of free will.
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#127SieKensouPosted 2/3/2013 1:16:35 PM
Sakurafanboy posted...
If Free Will is a hoax the my girlfriend would've been in jail years ago, but has never once been put behind bars. She's been living a hard, agonizing life. I won't go into specifics here because its really personal stuff, but early last year (around May) she had an appointment with a psychologist and after the meeting he said to her "you're lucky, most people in your situation would be in jail by now." so that goes to say that if Free Will didn't exist, her life would've caused her subconscious mind to react in a bad way, a way that would jail her for years, if not her entire life.

However, she's free as a bird. Never once broke the law or had a cop ever talk to her. She chose to behave even though most would have snapped and killed, or at least maimed, a to of people. So she is an excellent proof of free will.


more accurately an example of self control. and there's a growing number of people that don't have self control.... either gradually losing self control, or deliberately getting themselves into a state where they don't have self control... etc...
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#128VanderZooPosted 2/3/2013 10:57:18 PM
Pato468 posted...
The problem with determinism is that it should excuse everyone of everything they do. Be it murder, rape, all the way to cheating at test or to your gf/bf, bad work performance and kill-stealing at online games. With that in mind, what would thr point of ANY reward-punishment system be?


Because punishment can still factor in to determinism. More people would be predisposed to committing crime if they know there's no repercussions for it.

So yes in a way, locking up people for things we really have control over isn't fair, but we have to do it for the sake of society, we need to operate under the illusion of free will. Which is why I said the difference between a world where free will exists, and one where it is only an illusion is pretty insignificant.
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#129Thermador446Posted 2/3/2013 11:03:48 PM
That's the first time I've ever seen a hot chick & a d**** in the same video when it isn't porn.
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#130VanderZooPosted 2/3/2013 11:07:48 PM
kungfao posted...
Hey VanderZoo, I like what you're trying to argue but, I don't think you're going about it correctly. I also don't know why people are demeaning you for asking questions

I am leaning towards the theory that people do not actually have free will but your Cairo example doesn't do it justice. What it boils down to essentially is that you're saying you have to conscious of ALL THE POSSIBLE OPTIONS and make a decision based on all of those options for it to count as free will. That just isn't true.

Look at it this way:

You're in an unknown room with two doors labeled "1" and "2." You have to go through one of them to escape so you need to make a decision. You see that door 1 is nicely polished and clean. You look at door 2 which is rusted and has a pool of blood seeping through the bottom. Now most people would pick door 1 unless they have a death wish. So you go through door 1 and live.

BUT LITTLE DID YOU KNOW: You were standing on Door 3! You weren't thinking of door 3, it wasn't even an option you considered. However, that doesn't void your descision. You consciously made it based on the evidence at hand (clean door/bloody door). You chose to proceed through the door that you thought would be the safest.



As for VanderZoos opponents: You do know that there are studies that show you're brain makes decisions before you're even aware of it. For example: You're sitting on the couch with an opened can of soda on a table next to you. You're brain starts the process of firing neurons to move your arm before you even say to yourself "hey, i'm thirsty. I think I'll have some of this nice delicious soda."

My university is getting a new head of philosophy and each candidate for the position needs to submit a paper outlining their subject of study. One of them has been working on this very thing for quite some time. I can copy and paste his massive paper on here if any of you guys are interested.


Well door number 3 and Cairo are a little bit different. In your example, the person was NEVER aware of door number 3. In my example, Killak (sorry to keep using you Killak), was aware of Cairo, but his brain didn't even give him the option of choosing it.

In theory, Killak should have been able to choose Cairo because he knows it exists. It's not quite the same as your example where the subject was unaware of door number 3 entirely.
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