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DO you think the ps4 will have backwards compatibility with the ps3?

#11xbs2034Posted 2/2/2013 11:16:51 AM
JoveHack posted...
CooperRC posted...
Since they removed the cell from the PS4, the only way this is going to happen is with a very expensive PS4 that contains PS3 hardware. Do you really think Sony will do that again with how bad the PS3 sold at the start?


Software emulation. They got 80% software emulation of the PS2 in some of the 80GB fat PS3s, before pulling the plug because they didn't want to sell more PS3s.


But will the PS4 be powerful enough for software emulation. Some evidence suggests we won't see the same power leap as there was this gen, and as you said PS3 can only do 80% (and 360 like 50%) BC over their previous gen through software.
#12THE_PS1_PATRIOTPosted 2/2/2013 11:19:05 AM
50/50

Although with trophies most likely moving onto PS4 it would make sense to have it for that reason alone.
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#13viajarvPosted 2/2/2013 11:38:59 AM
It will probably have ps2 compatibility unless they plan to never kill the ps2.
#14ThamauturgePosted 2/2/2013 1:35:11 PM(edited)
I'm not positive, but I think there is a greater chance than people think.

1. Sony has never launched a console without offering Backwards Compatibility (not counting Handhelds)

2. Digital PS3 games run off of the same hardware that disk PS3 games do. Do you guys really think that Sony wouldn't want you to be able to at least play digital PS3 games on the PS4? If they included this (which is very likely if the console is going to succeed) then they would have to flat out TRY HARDER to lock us out of playing disc PS3 games.

3. PS3 BC woes were a different circumstance than the PS4 launch is going to have.
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#15kcypher2000Posted 2/2/2013 1:49:19 PM
Thamauturge posted...
I'm not positive, but I think there is a greater chance than people think.

1. Sony has never launched a console without offering Backwards Compatibility (not counting Handhelds)

2. Digital PS3 games run off of the same hardware that disk PS3 games do. Do you guys really think that Sony wouldn't want you to be able to at least play digital PS3 games on the PS4? If they included this (which is very likely if the console is going to succeed) then they would have to flat out TRY HARDER to lock us out of playing disc PS3 games.

3. PS3 BC woes were a different circumstance than the PS4 launch is going to have.


Youre way off with number 3. It would be the exact same woes. Either have bc or sell a more affordable system.
#16Hucast9Posted 2/2/2013 2:12:19 PM
Manimal_F0r3v3r posted...
Ain't happening. nVidia was in the PS3. Unless they add in the PS3 hardware, it will have to be software BC


What if they release an attachment that connects to a serial port on the PS4? This atachment could attach itself to the console (like the Game By Advance Player for Gamecube) which would essentially be a PS3 connected to the PS4. It would be a $100-$150 attachment, but it would work to save space, to save an hdmi connection, and to have the backwards compatibility that people want.
#17ThamauturgePosted 2/2/2013 2:14:35 PM
From: kcypher2000 | #015
Youre way off with number 3. It would be the exact same woes. Either have bc or sell a more affordable system.


PS2 was on top of the world when PS3 came out; this combined with a horrible launch lineup made people use their PS3s as expensive PS2s. BC was cut to spur PS3 software sales. This circumstance is hopefully pretty different than what Sony is going to do at launch with the PS4.
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#18CooperRCPosted 2/2/2013 3:39:23 PM(edited)
xbs2034 posted...
JoveHack posted...
CooperRC posted...
Since they removed the cell from the PS4, the only way this is going to happen is with a very expensive PS4 that contains PS3 hardware. Do you really think Sony will do that again with how bad the PS3 sold at the start?


Software emulation. They got 80% software emulation of the PS2 in some of the 80GB fat PS3s, before pulling the plug because they didn't want to sell more PS3s.


But will the PS4 be powerful enough for software emulation. Some evidence suggests we won't see the same power leap as there was this gen, and as you said PS3 can only do 80% (and 360 like 50%) BC over their previous gen through software.


The PS3 is not powerful enough for full PS2 emulation in software.

The PS4 will not be powerful enough for full PS3 emulation in software. They will have to have some of the PS3 in the system.

The PS4 should finally be able to handle PS2 games though.
#19sicko26usPosted 2/2/2013 3:41:36 PM
JoveHack posted...
CooperRC posted...
Since they removed the cell from the PS4, the only way this is going to happen is with a very expensive PS4 that contains PS3 hardware. Do you really think Sony will do that again with how bad the PS3 sold at the start?


Software emulation. They got 80% software emulation of the PS2 in some of the 80GB fat PS3s, before pulling the plug because they didn't want to sell more PS3s.


A fact that people forget (maybe they are to young to remember). Emulation should not be to difficult to figure out.
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#20rumbalumbaPosted 2/2/2013 3:46:23 PM
NOT HAPPENING.


the Cell alone has a different architecture than whatever CPU the PS4 is going to have, plus the graphics card will be different as well.

this isn't a PC where you can play older pc games with newer cards. PS3 games are OPTIMIZED to work on the Cell and the RSX. meaning, whatever memory cycles or processes those CPU and GPU had, the games will only run within those parameters. this isn't as straightforward as running a code within the lowest-common denominator then using raw power without optimization that PC games and devs do. these PS3 games were built to run on very specific hardware, with specific software constraints, processes, and distributions.

unless the PS4's CPU/GPU can emulate them, BC isn't possible. why? we already know they're going to be different than the PS3's hardware.