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Why the butthurt over diablo 3?

#21KojaxFXPosted 2/21/2013 7:51:22 AM
I was hoping blizzard would announce something bigger lol.
#22RemakeMePosted 2/21/2013 7:52:03 AM
Also patchs fix's were small very small... it was more along the lines of here have this ball n a cup to play with untill we get PVP out....and then they canceled PVP a month ago and the lead designer leaves to work on another game. This game was doomed from the start and a console version only means it will never get good.
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#23RemakeMePosted 2/21/2013 7:54:34 AM
Sinfullyvannila posted...
All I know is that I enjoyed it a lot more than D2.

But I had played D2 after other, better games.


lol sounds like you played Diablo after playing like current gen gaming and was like "whats the big deal" you also obviously barely scratched the surface. and didn't even play higher difficulties.

I also guess your the type who pays Borderlands in 1 play through and dont understand your suppose to play it again.
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PSN=TwoCoiNs MvC3 teams - Main - Doom, Taskmaster, 2nd Tier - Haggar, Sentinel, Wesker, Tronne- 3rd tier Shehulk and Spencer.
#24DaLaggaPosted 2/21/2013 7:54:49 AM
First, I don't think any PC gamers care about D3 going to consoles. I remember playing the beta and telling a friend of mine that the game felt consolized despite being a PC exclusive. I ended up buying it because everyone I knew was getting it, but that was a big waste of money because the whole game is so dumbed down and bland that it's just not fun to play.

In any case, I feel an important point needs to be made here. Often times, fans of one console will be upset about losing an exclusive, and in most cases this is completely irrational and is simply due to fanboy'ism. For example, would Uncharted going to x360 or Halo going to PS3 really matter? Both systems are roughly equal in terms of processing power, communites, and online services so it's not like the game would have to be gimped if they went multi-platform. In other words, the next Uncharted game wouldn't suffer on PS4 if it went multi-platform, nor would the next Halo game suffer on the x720 if it also came to the PS4 (at least not significantly).

On the PC, it's a completely different story. PC gamers generally don't mind at all if games get ported to console. The problem PC gamers have is when PC games get dumbed down specifically because of consoles. This has happened with countless games/franchises in the past (Dungeon Siege, Supreme Commander, FEAR, Crysis, etc.) and is due to a number of factors ranging from the weaker console hardware and poorer controls for most games to the nature of the console community itself which is on average far more casual than the PC community.

In short, PC gamers generally don't have the that kind of fanboy'ish nonsense that makes them want to hold on to exclusives like many console gamers do. PC gamers just don't want their beloved franchises to be dumbed down and consolized. So long as that doesn't happen, consoles can have every PC exclusive for all I care. For now, I think that porting stuff like TW2 and Minecraft to the x360 was a very good thing because the more people that can experience these games, the better. But if TW3 or Minecraft 2 (if there ever is such a thing) end up getting dumbed down to better accommodate consoles, I can't say I'll be very happy.
#25SinfullyvannilaPosted 2/21/2013 7:58:33 AM(edited)
RemakeMe posted...
Sinfullyvannila posted...
RemakeMe posted...
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How can you gimp a game in a series as simple as Diablo?


Diablo simple? Not really. Maybe if you made it as far as normal

but here's something anybody who played RPG's can understand.
With some examples..

Diablo 3 has elemental attacks like any other game. Many games either have enemies with a weakness to elements or the elemental attacks do some kind of elemtnal effect ie...cold slows/chance to freeze....fire causes imolation/burn.....lightning causes ministuns/chains to other enemies....etc.

Nope Diablo 3 does nothing other than "visual" effects... their reasoning? Because they find people find they rather do best raw damage instead.

Other example, Stats, yep stats, Str, Vit, Dex, Int are the 4 major stats.... but every class builds Main stat only... Because damage AND defense comes to their main stat. No other stat does anything other than being defense. For instance Str in some games does - Crit Damage and Damage while Dex does Crit Chance and chance not to hit... Nope in Diablo 3 it's all just Primary stat/defense

No stat/skill points.. Everything is chosen for you and unlocked for you. You cant pick how you want to build your character....sounds good doesnt it? Well it's not, it removes completely any customization and individuality and unique characters from the game... EVERYONE has the same skills (since the good ones outclass the bad) and everyone is wearing the same gear...which is the next problem

The Gear... The itemization is soo dumbed down... i mean. WOW! Every item you look for is Crit damage/Chance/ Attack speed... This all goes into your dps... And the whole purpose is to get higher dps with defense added. There is no cool unique affixes that makes your other builds any good. IE 400% bonus damage into Leaping Attack (for example) there are some items but they are literally like 3-5 out of the hundreds of unique items this game has to offer.

Another problem, all skills are based on WEAPON damage...you hear it... What does this mean? Any weapon you find with under 1000k dps is basically worthless and you will find alot of items from 100-700 damage when end game is roughly everyone in the thousands. Also everything being based on skill damage is a dumbed down feature yet again. Damage is soo important... There is no stuff like Magic Skills, or Physical Skills...etc which makes the pool smaller for items... Now since every one is going for the same top items and there are VERY few top items BTW and you'll see everyone wearing the same thing. Also attack speed is for both melee/range and casting. There is no find items with attack speed vs cast speed...it was all streamlined to one affix.... Shrinking the item variety even more... I could go on and on there's alot of stuff like this.

Removing the player limit to 4 (console big time reason here) in older Diablo games you could play with 6-8.

There was no PVP on launch and they delayed it 8 months later, and released a rushed version called brawling bc they could not make their PVP work so it was scrapped.... it was a complete joke with no scoreboard, no drops, no exp, no rewards, no 2v2, no 1v1 just enter and fight anyone inside, with a lot of broke mechanics not balanced at all.

bottom line is Diablo 3 is removes anything RPG it's basically an isometric version of God of War with less cool visuals...and the story is sooo stupid. Enemies look like Disney villains seriously - Magda and Kulle is basically Malificent and Jafar.


Yes, I've played all the Diablo games. What does this all have to do with consoles?
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#26SinfullyvannilaPosted 2/21/2013 8:01:19 AM(edited)
RemakeMe posted...
Sinfullyvannila posted...
All I know is that I enjoyed it a lot more than D2.

But I had played D2 after other, better games.


lol sounds like you played Diablo after playing like current gen gaming and was like "whats the big deal" you also obviously barely scratched the surface. and didn't even play higher difficulties.

I also guess your the type who pays Borderlands in 1 play through and dont understand your suppose to play it again.


Nah, the games I were referring to are Titan Quest and PSO.
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#27DaLaggaPosted 2/21/2013 7:59:39 AM
RemakeMe posted...
lol sounds like you played Diablo after playing like current gen gaming and was like "whats the big deal" you also obviously barely scratched the surface. and didn't even play higher difficulties.

I also guess your the type who pays Borderlands in 1 play through and dont understand your suppose to play it again.


To be fair, while D2 was better than D3, it did have a ton of issues. The main problem being the fact that there was no end game to speak off. All that was left to do after finishing hell difficulty was grind the exact same content over and over (Baal runs specifically) for better gear. But there was no real point in having better gear or hitting level 99 because there was no content in the game that required it.

At least stuff like Torchlight 2 and PoE have some legitimate endgame content in the form of randomized dungeons and, in the case of PoE, events. But if you're just grinding the same content for hundreds of hours for the sole purpose of finding better gear, then you're not really playing the game anymore. You're just doing the digital equivalent of watching grass grow. Sadly, D3 didn't just borrow this flaw from D2, it embraced it and essentially built the entire game around it.
#28RemakeMePosted 2/21/2013 8:14:12 AM(edited)
DaLagga posted...
RemakeMe posted...
lol sounds like you played Diablo after playing like current gen gaming and was like "whats the big deal" you also obviously barely scratched the surface. and didn't even play higher difficulties.

I also guess your the type who pays Borderlands in 1 play through and dont understand your suppose to play it again.


To be fair, while D2 was better than D3, it did have a ton of issues. The main problem being the fact that there was no end game to speak off. All that was left to do after finishing hell difficulty was grind the exact same content over and over (Baal runs specifically) for better gear. But there was no real point in having better gear or hitting level 99 because there was no content in the game that required it.

At least stuff like Torchlight 2 and PoE have some legitimate endgame content in the form of randomized dungeons and, in the case of PoE, events. But if you're just grinding the same content for hundreds of hours for the sole purpose of finding better gear, then you're not really playing the game anymore. You're just doing the digital equivalent of watching grass grow. Sadly, D3 didn't just borrow this flaw from D2, it embraced it and essentially built the entire game around it.


Actually end game was the loot was actually good and interesting, and PVP. It's also a 12 year old game where as Diablo 3 barely had any the content of Diablo 2 had 12 years ago. Diablo was fine at the time, lets not try comparing modern games to the day of Diablo 2's release.

The whole point is Diablo 3 should of been everything Diablo 2 was AND MORE. Instead they released a dumbed down version of Diablo 2 and had less loot, items, and stuff to do (probably removed to add in the expansions) The game didnt even have PVP day 1...it took 8 months and they scrapped it and gave us brawling which should of been what we had day 1... it's so bare bones it's pathetic.
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PSN=TwoCoiNs MvC3 teams - Main - Doom, Taskmaster, 2nd Tier - Haggar, Sentinel, Wesker, Tronne- 3rd tier Shehulk and Spencer.
#29chiefofsb78Posted 2/21/2013 8:15:09 AM
I know there trying to come to the bigger better market but keep that crap on PC with the rest of the crappy games
#30SinfullyvannilaPosted 2/21/2013 8:28:42 AM(edited)
My point wasn't that they didn't simplify D3, but that D2 was always pretty simple to begin with. Certainly not too complex for console gamers to handle.

I always thought it was funny that Diablo fans thought they simplified it because of the console or WoW fans. WoW(at least up to and during WoTLK) was orders of magnitude more complex than D2. I'd even say Pokemon is considerably more complex.

People get an intellectual attitude about the Diablo games that are totally misplaced. Especially since the whole point of them was to be a "dumbed-down" and "casualized" in the first place.
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Polite conversation should never include Politics, Religion or what constitutes an RPG.
Playing a game for it's story is like watching porn for it's story.