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Video games need a new name to be accepted as real art

#11Spoiled_ClichePosted 4/4/2013 9:03:40 PM(edited)
Accepted by who? By casual gamers who only play videogames because they are now mainstream? No, thanks. Hollywood can keep their manginas and feminists.
#12Mattywright77Posted 4/4/2013 9:09:51 PM
656stooge posted...
Rap. All rap. Every single piece of rap ever created, whether mainstream or underground, is crap.
Than your opinion is as invalid as eberts. Sorry, you cannot have your cake and eat it too.
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#13Stanger5150Posted 4/4/2013 9:10:58 PM
CaptainLuka posted...
Stanger5150 posted...
I don't need a new name to consider them "art". To me, they are, and I don't understand how anyone can experience a game like Okami and not feel that way.

Art has always meant more to me than graphical power. Great art can be found on almost every console, from every generation.


Games are an art form. Not all games are art. Okami is art. Games like Sonic '06 are not art. I feel like everyone just yells, "ALL GAMES ARE ART" or "GAMES CAN'T BE ART" and they're all just "HURRRRR DURRRR" at each other when there is a clear and logical alternative.

Some games are full of high quality, well thought out, meaningful writing and thought provoking themes. Some games are just a cash-in commission. Some games are just garbage with no thought or effort.


I will agree and disagree. I agree that it's a stretch to call all games "art" as a whole. To me, Okami is a complete work of art.

However, Sonic '06, while perhaps not a work of art to most people, it certainly CONTAINS art.


At the end of the day, art is subjective, and nothing can be considered a masterpiece by everyone. Overall personal interest in the game as a game has little to do with its artistic merits. For example: I'm not a huge fan of Final Fantasy XIII as a game (I like it, but not enough), but I am a fan of it as a work of art. I feel the same about Final Fantasy VI in a lot of ways. Games that grab me as games and works of art simultaneously are rare. Some examples are Yoshi's Island, Okami, DKC/DKC 2, Rayman Origins, Windwaker, and Alice: Madness Returns.

This carries over to universally accepted forms of art as well. For instance, I don't care for the Mona Lisa or The Last Supper, but I love Scream and Starry Night.

My love for abstract art likely impacted my taste for game art, or vice versa.
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#14jrr18(Topic Creator)Posted 4/4/2013 9:11:45 PM
Mattywright77 posted...
656stooge posted...
Rap. All rap. Every single piece of rap ever created, whether mainstream or underground, is crap.
Than your opinion is as invalid as eberts. Sorry, you cannot have your cake and eat it too.


But you have to have cake to eat it so your statement is a lie THE CAKE IS A LIE!
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#15zyrax2301Posted 4/4/2013 9:12:08 PM
How about "Heavy Rain" aka The Boring-As-F*** Virtual Novel PS3 Game
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#16jrr18(Topic Creator)Posted 4/4/2013 9:14:17 PM
zyrax2301 posted...
How about "Heavy Rain" aka The Boring-As-F*** Virtual Novel PS3 Game


That would be called crap
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#17Still__RippinPosted 4/4/2013 9:17:10 PM
656stooge posted...
I was going to make a topic about this a while back, my old friend lazy came over and I never got around to it.

But yes, the term 'game' is definitely holding the medium back in terms of being regarded as art..


That is a ridiculous statement.
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#18the_great_tidusPosted 4/4/2013 9:18:44 PM
rap, shooter games, harry potter books, will ferrell movies = crap

every medium has crap
#19Stanger5150Posted 4/4/2013 9:25:39 PM(edited)
656stooge posted...
Rap. All rap. Every single piece of rap ever created, whether mainstream or underground, is crap.


Wouldn't you have to actually listen to every Rap song in existence in order to make such an assertion?

I hate most Rap, because I dislike the "cut another artist's record to pieces, mix it with other chopped records, add an electronic drum beat, and splice it all together" way in which the music itself is created. I have, however, heard several Rap songs that floored me and destroyed ever preconception I had about the music.

In Rap, the power comes from a different place. It's usually in the lyrics alone. Mainstream Rap isn't a good indicator of this in most cases. Even Tupac Shakur's poetry can't hold a candle to some of the guys I've heard at open-mic nights. When a man is writing and speaking about real pain, loss, love, triumph, and redemption, it can be a truly beautiful thing. The stuff I personally don't respect are chauvinistic in nature, or gang related propaganda. While that stuff dominates the mainstream, it isn't a good representation of all rappers.

Just like screaming about severed heads and Lucifer's intestines is not a good overall representation of Metal.
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#20Stanger5150Posted 4/4/2013 9:33:35 PM
the_great_tidus posted...
rap, shooter games, harry potter books, will ferrell movies = crap

every medium has crap


Have you read every Harry Potter book? If not, you can't make that claim honestly... If you have, why did you continue after the first one and waste your time?

As far as shooters, try Drunken Robot Pornography... it might surprise you.

As far as Will Ferrell movies are concerned, I can't help you there. Everyone has their preferences. I respect that opinion, because it's possible that you've actually seen all of his movies. It's highly improbable that you have heard every Rap song, and have played every shooter in existence.
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