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to people who believe used games are bad

#11Godly_GoofPosted 5/1/2013 2:52:18 AM
kingofall214 posted...
Godly_Goof posted...
kingofall214 posted...
Anarchy612 posted...
Have you ever lent/sold/given away anything you own?
Have you ever borrowed/recieved /bought anything that you didn't pay full price for?

If you answered yes to either of these then you are nothing more than a hypocrite.

Just about every industry (from clothing, DVDs, CDs, etc. to cars and houses) has a used sales market and video games is no exception .

Video game developers/publishers are not special. They are simply greedy.

Devs do not go out of business because people buy used games...they go out of business because they either make bad games or bad decisions.


EDIT: also let me ask you this. What do you do with your games when you are done with them or decide you don't like them? Do you throw them in the trash?

Also do you subscribe to gamefly?


DVD's and CD's are becoming obsolete do to itunes/netflix/hule etc. Fewer people are buying new so there is even less people buying used.

Everything else has risks and degrades over time. Video games can last forever with zero costs for upkeep.

Giving a game to a friend isn't making a retail outlet rich from devs hard work.

No I don't use gamefly. I use PS+ which sony pays publishers/devs to put on there.

I keep them and play them when there is nothing that interests me out at the moment. It's great for January to September as not many good games come out during this period.


Lol. You think people actually use iTunes, that's adorable. People would sooner just download it for free at that point lol. They're far more likely to buy it physical rather than digital at that point.


Well I am talking about what makes creators money but you are right. The majority of songs are pirated. It's a good thing artist make the most money from concerts and movies make most of there money in theatres. Video games have ? to fall back on? Nothing.


Yes because soooo man people pirate videogames, because it's just the easiest thing in the world. /sarcasm

And they have DLC lol.
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#12Godly_GoofPosted 5/1/2013 2:56:01 AM
Evel138 posted...
Anarchy612 posted...
Evel138 posted...
I don't think used games are bad. I DO think that Gamestop turning it into an multi million dollar industry in and of itself, siphoning off resources that could actual go to, oh I don't know.... producing something is bad.

In this world there are only two camps of people......the makers and the takers. I very unapologeticly give the takers the middle finger.


A fair response. I have no issues with disliking a particular store, or even people who personally won't support the used game market.

I do, however take issue with the people who would have you believe that devs go out of business all because of that used game some people bought.


The one saving grace and the one point I'll ever concede to is that there is a segment.....a segment mind you (as there is just another segment that makes used their every purchase), that uses the trade-in value to buy new games.

Ultimately however, it can't be denied that developers are losing money to the behemoth machine Gamestop has become. Its not fair to them....that actually produce something.....and its detrimental to all involved imho.


Are you dumb? You say that like GS is the ONLY one making money off used games. Never mind consumers selling them to GS recover costs, selling them on eBay or Craigslist etc., Amazon, Future Shop, Best Buy, independent retailers, etc. etc.

You want to hate for a stupid reason that's your business but at least get your facts straight before you do.
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I still don't believe most people on gamefaqs are even gamers. Just assuming they are embodiments of hate and stupidity taking digital form.
#13Anarchy612(Topic Creator)Posted 5/1/2013 2:56:24 AM
Guys this thread is meant for discussion...not argument

When I created it I wanted points on the questions asked and valid counter points and so on and so forth

I know I'm probably being to optimistic but try to keep the flame to a minimum

In retrospect the hipocrit part was probably a lil harsh so I apologize for that
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#14koalabear9000Posted 5/1/2013 2:58:59 AM
Evel138 posted...
Anarchy612 posted...
Evel138 posted...
I don't think used games are bad. I DO think that Gamestop turning it into an multi million dollar industry in and of itself, siphoning off resources that could actual go to, oh I don't know.... producing something is bad.

In this world there are only two camps of people......the makers and the takers. I very unapologeticly give the takers the middle finger.


A fair response. I have no issues with disliking a particular store, or even people who personally won't support the used game market.

I do, however take issue with the people who would have you believe that devs go out of business all because of that used game some people bought.


The one saving grace and the one point I'll ever concede to is that there is a segment.....a segment mind you (as there is just another segment that makes used their every purchase), that uses the trade-in value to buy new games.

Ultimately however, it can't be denied that developers are losing money to the behemoth machine Gamestop has become. Its not fair to them....that actually produce something.....and its detrimental to all involved imho.


Even if there was no used game sales there would be more peole who just wait for price drops that is almost equally bad for publishers/devs.Also when publishers and devs know that there is used game market they should try to be reasonable with budgets on games so they would get better profit.
#15Evel138Posted 5/1/2013 3:02:47 AM
Godly_Goof posted...
Evel138 posted...
Anarchy612 posted...
Evel138 posted...
I don't think used games are bad. I DO think that Gamestop turning it into an multi million dollar industry in and of itself, siphoning off resources that could actual go to, oh I don't know.... producing something is bad.

In this world there are only two camps of people......the makers and the takers. I very unapologeticly give the takers the middle finger.


A fair response. I have no issues with disliking a particular store, or even people who personally won't support the used game market.

I do, however take issue with the people who would have you believe that devs go out of business all because of that used game some people bought.


The one saving grace and the one point I'll ever concede to is that there is a segment.....a segment mind you (as there is just another segment that makes used their every purchase), that uses the trade-in value to buy new games.

Ultimately however, it can't be denied that developers are losing money to the behemoth machine Gamestop has become. Its not fair to them....that actually produce something.....and its detrimental to all involved imho.


Are you dumb? You say that like GS is the ONLY one making money off used games. Never mind consumers selling them to GS recover costs, selling them on eBay or Craigslist etc., Amazon, Future Shop, Best Buy, independent retailers, etc. etc.

You want to hate for a stupid reason that's your business but at least get your facts straight before you do.


Insults (at this point in the conversation)say more about you than the person you're flinging them at tbqh. Sure, Amazon, BB and a host of others are trying to get a piece of the action too (making it overall worse), but you can't sit there with a straight face and not see or admit that Gamestop and their used game behemoth is ultimately taking money out of the the developer/publishers coffers. Just the sheer scale of GS operation should give you some clue.....so I'd check yourself and "get straight" first bub.
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#16Anarchy612(Topic Creator)Posted 5/1/2013 3:04:58 AM(edited)
Evel138 posted...
Anarchy612 posted...
Evel138 posted...
I don't think used games are bad. I DO think that Gamestop turning it into an multi million dollar industry in and of itself, siphoning off resources that could actual go to, oh I don't know.... producing something is bad.

In this world there are only two camps of people......the makers and the takers. I very unapologeticly give the takers the middle finger.


A fair response. I have no issues with disliking a particular store, or even people who personally won't support the used game market.

I do, however take issue with the people who would have you believe that devs go out of business all because of that used game some people bought.


The one saving grace and the one point I'll ever concede to is that there is a segment.....a segment mind you (as there is just another segment that makes used their every purchase), that uses the trade-in value to buy new games.

Ultimately however, it can't be denied that developers are losing money to the behemoth machine Gamestop has become. Its not fair to them....that actually produce something.....and its detrimental to all involved imho.


Referring you back to op, what makes game devs so special? Why is it fair for every other used market but not games?
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#17kingofall214Posted 5/1/2013 3:04:34 AM
Godly_Goof posted...
kingofall214 posted...
Godly_Goof posted...
kingofall214 posted...
Anarchy612 posted...
Have you ever lent/sold/given away anything you own?
Have you ever borrowed/recieved /bought anything that you didn't pay full price for?

If you answered yes to either of these then you are nothing more than a hypocrite.

Just about every industry (from clothing, DVDs, CDs, etc. to cars and houses) has a used sales market and video games is no exception .

Video game developers/publishers are not special. They are simply greedy.

Devs do not go out of business because people buy used games...they go out of business because they either make bad games or bad decisions.


EDIT: also let me ask you this. What do you do with your games when you are done with them or decide you don't like them? Do you throw them in the trash?

Also do you subscribe to gamefly?


DVD's and CD's are becoming obsolete do to itunes/netflix/hule etc. Fewer people are buying new so there is even less people buying used.

Everything else has risks and degrades over time. Video games can last forever with zero costs for upkeep.

Giving a game to a friend isn't making a retail outlet rich from devs hard work.

No I don't use gamefly. I use PS+ which sony pays publishers/devs to put on there.

I keep them and play them when there is nothing that interests me out at the moment. It's great for January to September as not many good games come out during this period.


Lol. You think people actually use iTunes, that's adorable. People would sooner just download it for free at that point lol. They're far more likely to buy it physical rather than digital at that point.


Well I am talking about what makes creators money but you are right. The majority of songs are pirated. It's a good thing artist make the most money from concerts and movies make most of there money in theatres. Video games have ? to fall back on? Nothing.


Yes because soooo man people pirate videogames, because it's just the easiest thing in the world. /sarcasm

And they have DLC lol.


Well first off PC games are pirated to all hell. Heck Far Cry 3 blood dragon was pirated weeks ago on PC. It just came out yesterday.

But I wasn't talking about damage from pirates. I was talking about the damage from Used sales. The damage done to artists/movie studios is recouped by ticket sales. Video game publishers only make money on the initial sale and PS+ And Dlc
Movies make money off of

Ticket sales
DVD/blue ray sales
LIcense sales to netflix/hulu etc
license sales to cable.

Song artists make money off of.
Concert tickets
Itunes sales.
CD sales
A plethora of license sales from commercials, movies, video games, etc etc.

Video game makers make money on

intial game sale.
DLC
A select few from ps+ sales.

That's it.
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#18Evel138Posted 5/1/2013 3:06:14 AM
koalabear9000 posted...
Evel138 posted...
Anarchy612 posted...
Evel138 posted...
I don't think used games are bad. I DO think that Gamestop turning it into an multi million dollar industry in and of itself, siphoning off resources that could actual go to, oh I don't know.... producing something is bad.

In this world there are only two camps of people......the makers and the takers. I very unapologeticly give the takers the middle finger.


A fair response. I have no issues with disliking a particular store, or even people who personally won't support the used game market.

I do, however take issue with the people who would have you believe that devs go out of business all because of that used game some people bought.


The one saving grace and the one point I'll ever concede to is that there is a segment.....a segment mind you (as there is just another segment that makes used their every purchase), that uses the trade-in value to buy new games.

Ultimately however, it can't be denied that developers are losing money to the behemoth machine Gamestop has become. Its not fair to them....that actually produce something.....and its detrimental to all involved imho.


Even if there was no used game sales there would be more peole who just wait for price drops that is almost equally bad for publishers/devs.Also when publishers and devs know that there is used game market they should try to be reasonable with budgets on games so they would get better profit.


No used games is a BIG "what-if" you could war game several ways....including a lesser opening retail price. Even in your scenario of people just waiting for a price drop....I know I'd rather make a buck....50 cents....any damn thing off the fruit of MY labor as opposed to none at all at the hands of someone leeching off me.
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#19Evel138Posted 5/1/2013 3:13:21 AM
Anarchy612 posted...
Evel138 posted...
Anarchy612 posted...
Evel138 posted...
I don't think used games are bad. I DO think that Gamestop turning it into an multi million dollar industry in and of itself, siphoning off resources that could actual go to, oh I don't know.... producing something is bad.

In this world there are only two camps of people......the makers and the takers. I very unapologeticly give the takers the middle finger.


A fair response. I have no issues with disliking a particular store, or even people who personally won't support the used game market.

I do, however take issue with the people who would have you believe that devs go out of business all because of that used game some people bought.


The one saving grace and the one point I'll ever concede to is that there is a segment.....a segment mind you (as there is just another segment that makes used their every purchase), that uses the trade-in value to buy new games.

Ultimately however, it can't be denied that developers are losing money to the behemoth machine Gamestop has become. Its not fair to them....that actually produce something.....and its detrimental to all involved imho.


Referring you back to op, what makes game devs so special? Why is it fair for every other used market but not games?


This point has been rehashed a million times and you either get it or you don't. When people start bring up such things as the "used car" analogies.....what they fail to grasp is those are things with intrinsic value (value in and of itself). The video game disc that's going to be paid for once and then passed through several hands has ZERO value....well, it may have cost a dollar if its a BRD. What is of value is the IP (that was VERY expensive to produce) on the disc......if its being paid for to the dev/publisher ONE TIME and then getting passed through several people, all of which profits going to GS, there is a problem.
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#20koalabear9000Posted 5/1/2013 3:17:53 AM
Evel138 posted...
koalabear9000 posted...
Evel138 posted...
Anarchy612 posted...
Evel138 posted...
I don't think used games are bad. I DO think that Gamestop turning it into an multi million dollar industry in and of itself, siphoning off resources that could actual go to, oh I don't know.... producing something is bad.

In this world there are only two camps of people......the makers and the takers. I very unapologeticly give the takers the middle finger.


A fair response. I have no issues with disliking a particular store, or even people who personally won't support the used game market.

I do, however take issue with the people who would have you believe that devs go out of business all because of that used game some people bought.


The one saving grace and the one point I'll ever concede to is that there is a segment.....a segment mind you (as there is just another segment that makes used their every purchase), that uses the trade-in value to buy new games.

Ultimately however, it can't be denied that developers are losing money to the behemoth machine Gamestop has become. Its not fair to them....that actually produce something.....and its detrimental to all involved imho.


Even if there was no used game sales there would be more peole who just wait for price drops that is almost equally bad for publishers/devs.Also when publishers and devs know that there is used game market they should try to be reasonable with budgets on games so they would get better profit.


No used games is a BIG "what-if" you could war game several ways....including a lesser opening retail price. Even in your scenario of people just waiting for a price drop....I know I'd rather make a buck....50 cents....any damn thing off the fruit of MY labor as opposed to none at all at the hands of someone leeching off me.


You know publishers don't care about anything else than opening weeks sales. When you have put alot of money to publishing a game you want to sell it at the highest price you can and when the price of the game goes down so does the profit to the point that they might not get any profit.

It is also good thing that gamestop makes additional money from used game sales because then they can get better collection of new games to sell and buy more games to the store. And it's really not like every single people sells their games or buys every game used.