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for those upset about a review higlhighting GTA5's poor writing regarding women,

#1manmousePosted 9/19/2013 1:40:12 PM(edited)
how do you feel about this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Q5KD7zwBs

overall i feel that if the reviewer thinks that the writing in a game is not good, and makes the game feel less enjoyable, they have the right to say so.
and you have the right to disagree.

"at the end of the day, a review is the author's opinion."
"is the reviewer entitled to this opinion? ...YES. are they entitled to score the game based on that opinion? ....YES"

yeah, so if their opinion of the writing was that it was juvenile in regards to how it handles women, the reviewer can make it known that their opinion is that the writing is from a stupid perspective in their eyes.

if a game had a bunch of Jews only portrayed as stereotypes then a reviewer, be them atheist or jewish or christian or muslim or hindu or whatever, can go into the review and say, "you know what? the writing of the jewish characters is very ignorant and portrays them in a negative light which i don't enjoy. it affected my enjoyment."

AND IT'D BE OK. that's part of the writing, therefore it's part of the game, therefore as a reviewer it's their right to criticize it and weigh it in when it comes to their end opinion.

and you know what else would be ok?
if a gamer played a game where Jews were portrayed as negative stereotypes, and they were atheist or christian or hindu or muslim or even jewish, was like, "you know what? i was not bothered by the portrayal of Jews and it didn't affect my enjoyment. this review doesn't apply to my perspective, so i'll just read another review since the internet has thousands."
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#2manmouse(Topic Creator)Posted 9/19/2013 3:32:54 PM
bump, any opinions?
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#3NepentheNeoPosted 9/19/2013 3:34:41 PM
Agreed.

It's funny really. Replace 'female' with 'black', 'Jewish', 'deaf' etc. People are quick to pick up on and discuss these things with other mediums yet with the video game medium it's like painting a target on your back. So silly.

It's ironic that a lot of 'gamers' resent the stereotypes thrown at the gaming medium and community and yet play it up all at the same time.

(I have to wonder if Gamefaqs has moderators at all anymore in relation to certain things that have been said.)
#4Teepo64Posted 9/19/2013 3:35:31 PM
manmouse posted...
bump, any opinions?



My opinion is that opinions are opinions.
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#5LiarboyPosted 9/19/2013 5:25:19 PM(edited)
I don't give a **** about reviews, don't read them and never will, but I don't agree. Of course reviews are the person's opinion, but their personal politics/beliefs/etc. shouldn't be apart of a review of a game, movie, etc.

They can not enjoy a game in their free-time all they want based on their belief system, but letting that belief system affect what's supposed to be unbiased reviews? No. That's like Gamespot or IGN hiring an Amish person to review games, and he gives every game a 0/10 because of his religious beliefs. That's fine if the Amish person creates his own website that clearly states that he's reviewing games from the Amish perspective, but it's not fine to have your belief system plague non-religious reviews.

NepentheNeo posted...
Agreed.

It's funny really. Replace 'female' with 'black', 'Jewish', 'deaf' etc. People are quick to pick up on and discuss these things with other mediums yet with the video game medium it's like painting a target on your back. So silly.


That's because not everybody is apart of the cult of feminism, therefore not everybody thinks that there's a problem. Your assertion that people who watch movies, read books, etc. are all feminists is farcical. You've spent so much time in your feminism forums that you've lost your sense of perspective and forgotten that you are in the extreme minority of the world.

Also, it's a false equivalence to assert that a random cult's opinions is on par with "racism". I can just as easily say "Replace 'flat-earth belief ridicule' with 'racism'", but just because you can say that doesn't make them equivalent.

You can argue your case that they're equal, but simply asserting that they are equal is typical extremist behavior that further demonstrates that the feminism movement is nothing more than a cult. Do your cause a favor and stop acting like this.

It's ironic that a lot of 'gamers' resent the stereotypes thrown at the gaming medium and community and yet play it up all at the same time.


Yeah yeah yeah, because most of the gaming community rejects your cult's beliefs means that they're sexist. Yawn.
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#6true_gamer80Posted 9/19/2013 5:18:33 PM
nobody is upset cause like so so many around here say only the weak minded care so much about someone elses opinion, that's only for sheep.....

all this obsessing over someone elses thoughts on a freaking video game, all the rage, all the caring is all fake...right guys, I mean lets not be contradicting hypocrites that try to act like you don't care about things you say you dont every other day of the week of the year lol
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#7manmouse(Topic Creator)Posted 9/19/2013 5:26:13 PM
it's not about feminism. it's about women.

you don't have to be a black power activist / black panther to be able to simply say, "well, all the black people in this movie are portrayed as thugs and Mr. T clones..."
so you can criticize a piece of media for having those elements in it, without being part of a political movement aligned with radical social change.

same goes for gay people. if all the gay people in a movie are portrayed as "Big Gay Al" and "Mr. Slave" types without having a self aware satire behind it, and actually just genuinely using those stereotypes and overall making a negative image for gays, then you don't have to be an LGBT activist or Gay Straight Alliance member or have marched in Prop 8 protests or anything. it's just a basic part of being a normal person to be able to say, "well, i can enjoy this, but i can see how someone else could feel that this negatively impacts their experience."

if you hire an amish person and they rank games according to their amish beliefs, THAT'S FINE. it's a perspective being represented.

so if a person with environmental leanings plays a game where you slap hippies and burn down national forests and sell all the lumber off, that person could review the game and say, "this game came off as juvenile and overall presented an ignorant view of nature and etc etc" and give it a point or two off for its central message because the central message is PART OF THE GAME, and if you're a reviewer then your job is to use your perspective to judge the PARTS OF THE GAME.
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