So does leveling up in this game actually do anything?

#1YamiYugi4400Posted 7/28/2011 1:17:05 AM
Using the casino trick it seems like you can easily just max all your parameters using the skill gems at like level 10. Does leveling up increase anything?
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#2ANuBiStAnGoMeGaPosted 7/28/2011 9:02:32 AM
Assuming you don't completely cheat like that? Yes, leveling up actually does something...

But why do you even care if you want to run around with brokenly powerful characters anyway?
#3YamiYugi4400(Topic Creator)Posted 7/28/2011 4:30:55 PM
ANuBiStAnGoMeGa posted...
Assuming you don't completely cheat like that? Yes, leveling up actually does something...

But why do you even care if you want to run around with brokenly powerful characters anyway?


It's not really cheating, the game lets you get broken characters like that. So what does leveling up do? Raise stats, hp, etc?
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#4ANuBiStAnGoMeGaPosted 7/28/2011 5:51:29 PM
Of course it's cheating, just because the game lets you do it doesn't mean that's the way it's supposed to be played. Would you also ask something like: "so yeah I used the no damage CHEAT CODE and all, are those health kits supposed to actually do anything?"

If you want to play like that I'm not even judging, and From obviously wanted people to have the option. But don't pretend it's not what it is.

But anyway yes, leveling up normally increases all stats, like in any RPG.
#5WingBowlMVPPosted 7/29/2011 8:17:14 AM
First its not cheating because one of the ways you are supposed to develop your character is by using SP to up stats and you can do it up to 9999 or 999 depending on stats. Anything the game sells in shops that you can use from you inventory is not cheating it utilizing items the game and developers intended you to use.

Secondly leveling up increases all stats that SP does....I can't find what I read (just spent a few minutes looking) but I believe you get 1 - 20 stat boost in HP and EP and 1 - 15 in all other parameters upon level up.
#6RoratasticPosted 7/29/2011 6:25:06 PM
Anything the game sells in shops that you can use from you inventory is not cheating it utilizing items the game and developers intended you to use.

Using a trick to get an infinite amount of them, however, is cheating.
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#7PuredoggPosted 7/29/2011 7:41:08 PM
It's not cheating, simply a flaw in the game mechanics that the developers didn't care for, or didn't mind having in there. Actually, whether or not it could be considered a flaw is up to you.

Point is that the developers' system allows you to do that through legitimate means. There are no glitches, no cheats, or 3rd party programs involved. Clearly their intention was to make the casino hard to win at, but underestimate a player's ability to understand how it works.

However, to be totally honest, this could have easily been avoided just by making exchanges limited instead of those unlimited items you could sell back to the shop for more. So by all means, do what you want to do, even if it means manipulating a faulty system to work at your advantage. They screwed it up, not you; therefore, it's not cheating.
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#8WingBowlMVPPosted 7/30/2011 8:58:23 AM
Roratastic posted...
Anything the game sells in shops that you can use from you inventory is not cheating it utilizing items the game and developers intended you to use.

Using a trick to get an infinite amount of them, however, is cheating.




Its an exploit of a game mechanic not a cheat.

I would consider it a cheat if the recovery powder was not infinite. The game made it infinite which means as long as you have chips you can do it as much as you want. If you calculate odds of winning and place smart bets (even if loading and saving) you are exploiting an aspect of a game the designers, programmers, and everyone else involved wanted you to be able to.

A cheat is doing something the game does not allow or make available by just playing the game. Using a game mechanic to better yourself is called playing the game not cheating at it.

Do you think grinding for sp with the double sp skill equipped so you can upgrade your parameters quicker cheating to? Its the same things as exploiting the casino to buy recovery powder and gods Ambrose for the purpose of selling them and buying skill and mega skill gems to upgrade.
#9ANuBiStAnGoMeGaPosted 8/1/2011 2:13:08 AM
Some people getting awfully defensive about a word here...

But OK if you want to get all technical like fine, and I'll even avoid the dreaded C word:
The core mechanic of the RPG genre, traditionally, is making a character or characters more powerful through experience earned in numerous battles. A secondary mechanic is also finding or earning money in some form, in order to buy better skills, equipment or other elements to also strengthen your characters in some form. Enchanted Arms does not deviate from those standards in any notable way.

So that's what an RPG is, that's the system; that's the *game* right?

If at a point very early in the experience arc, you somehow make your characters as powerful as they could ever be without any battle experience at all, as well as 'win' as much money as you choose to from an infinite source, then you've just bypassed that whole system. You have broken the game.

But hey it's all semantics in the end, I'm just glad that little "trick" never even occurred to me. That's also part of why I usually avoid guides or any other info till after I've already played through a game. Because I experienced a fairly brilliant hard-core strategic RPG named "Enchanted Arms". Some others apparently like to play a *perfectly legitimate* save-state gambling simulator - attached to a fairly average story that plays itself -,that also happens to be named "Enchanted Arms", I can only assume you're having just as as much fun as me...

So I guess the real answer is: if you're playing a game named "Enchanted Arms" in which characters level up and it has no discernible effect on the experience, then no, leveling up doesn't do anything. In the "Enchanted Arms".that you play.

Everyone happy now?