Suikoden V
Anyone expect Galleon...<SPOILERS>
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...to be a major villain at some point? On my first playthrough, the moment I first saw him, I immediately thought, "Man, this guy looks suspicious." And then when I found out he was from Lordlake, my next thought was "Yep, he's gonna get his revenge on the queen." I was legitimately surprised to see him at all in the Sol-Falena attack, much less protecting the princess. Did anyone else expect him to be a major villain when they first saw him? --- "He's like Rock Lee but with 300% less eyebrows and 10000% more MAN." - Ryuu_Akamatsu Pokemon Black: Kyce, 0776-4729-5206 | |
vermillion719 posted... ...to be a major villain at some point? On my first playthrough, the moment I first saw him, I immediately thought, "Man, this guy looks suspicious." And then when I found out he was from Lordlake, my next thought was "Yep, he's gonna get his revenge on the queen." I was legitimately surprised to see him at all in the Sol-Falena attack, much less protecting the princess. Did anyone else expect him to be a major villain when they first saw him? I never expected Galleon to be a major villain because he's not a major villain. Please tell me this is a joke topic for April Fool's Day. --- Poison Clan Rocks The World. | |
Final Legion posted... vermillion719 posted... ...to be a major villain at some point? On my first playthrough, the moment I first saw him, I immediately thought, "Man, this guy looks suspicious." And then when I found out he was from Lordlake, my next thought was "Yep, he's gonna get his revenge on the queen." I was legitimately surprised to see him at all in the Sol-Falena attack, much less protecting the princess. Did anyone else expect him to be a major villain when they first saw him? I never expected Galleon to be a major villain because he's not a major villain. Please tell me this is a joke topic for April Fool's Day. I'm serious! Obviously I know he didn't turn out to be one, and it was made pretty clear relatively early on that he wouldn't be, but at the very beginning of the game, I honestly thought he'd betray me at some point. --- "He's like Rock Lee but with 300% less eyebrows and 10000% more MAN." - Ryuu_Akamatsu Pokemon Black: Kyce, 0776-4729-5206 | |
vermillion719 posted... Final Legion posted... vermillion719 posted... ...to be a major villain at some point? On my first playthrough, the moment I first saw him, I immediately thought, "Man, this guy looks suspicious." And then when I found out he was from Lordlake, my next thought was "Yep, he's gonna get his revenge on the queen." I was legitimately surprised to see him at all in the Sol-Falena attack, much less protecting the princess. Did anyone else expect him to be a major villain when they first saw him? I never expected Galleon to be a major villain because he's not a major villain. Please tell me this is a joke topic for April Fool's Day. I'm serious! Obviously I know he didn't turn out to be one, and it was made pretty clear relatively early on that he wouldn't be, but at the very beginning of the game, I honestly thought he'd betray me at some point. If you're being serious, then I don't follow your line of reasoning. I honestly don't get your 'he looks suspicious' perception of Galleon. The first thing that struck me was his age. He didn't look suspicious at all to me. He just looked tired. When we discover he's from Lordlake, my first thought was that he was upset with the Queen, but if you talk to him, it's pretty clear he's more concerned with his duty than his personal feelings. In addition, we see in the flashbacks that he was defending Arshtat even though he had a prime opportunity to betray her. We know for a fact that Alenia and Zahak openly supported Godwin and when the palace fell, they assisted Godwin in taking it. If Galleon was going to be a villain, that would have been the time to reveal it. If he hated the Queen so much that he wanted to do her in, not only would he have assisted in the attempted drugging of Ferid and the others but he would have been side by side with Alenia and Zahak. So I really don't follow your reasoning. In all seriousness, the fact that, after the fall of the palace, he doesn't even show up at any of the major battles or in any scenario up until the Queen's Campaign would , prior to the Queen's Campaign, be indicative of the fact that he's not going to be a villain. --- Poison Clan Rocks The World. | |
Final Legion posted... If you're being serious, then I don't follow your line of reasoning. I honestly don't get your 'he looks suspicious' perception of Galleon. The first thing that struck me was his age. He didn't look suspicious at all to me. He just looked tired. When we discover he's from Lordlake, my first thought was that he was upset with the Queen, but if you talk to him, it's pretty clear he's more concerned with his duty than his personal feelings. In addition, we see in the flashbacks that he was defending Arshtat even though he had a prime opportunity to betray her. We know for a fact that Alenia and Zahak openly supported Godwin and when the palace fell, they assisted Godwin in taking it. If Galleon was going to be a villain, that would have been the time to reveal it. If he hated the Queen so much that he wanted to do her in, not only would he have assisted in the attempted drugging of Ferid and the others but he would have been side by side with Alenia and Zahak. So I really don't follow your reasoning. In all seriousness, the fact that, after the fall of the palace, he doesn't even show up at any of the major battles or in any scenario up until the Queen's Campaign would , prior to the Queen's Campaign, be indicative of the fact that he's not going to be a villain. I think you're misunderstanding me here. I'm not saying I went all the way to the end of the game expecting Galleon to turn on me. I realized he wouldn't be an enemy during that scene in the Sun Palace where he and Miakis are protecting the princess. But up to that point, the possibility existed for him to be an enemy, at least in my eyes. Consider this: we don't really see much of Galleon until the Queen's Campaign. We know he's from Lordlake, which was destroyed by the queen. He's obviously quite old, which would give him years of experience and cunning. And of the Queen's Knights, the only other ones who are as formal and "knightly" as he is are Zahhak and Alenia, whose speech and behaviors immediately give them "villain" status. Would it really be so impossible, at the beginning of a first playthrough, to see Galleon as the crafty leader of a trio of betrayers? Maybe you didn't see that, but do you really find it so unbelievable that others might distrust a man who behaves the way he does and has a very clearly stated reason as to why he might want revenge on the queen? --- "He's like Rock Lee but with 300% less eyebrows and 10000% more MAN." - Ryuu_Akamatsu Pokemon Black: Kyce, 0776-4729-5206 | |
I never expected Galleon to be a major villain because he's not a major villain. Likely true. In more ways then one. For one, he’s not a “major” anything. If you want to call him a villain, he’s a “minor” villain if that as he’s got a fairly small role in the whole thing. But he’s not a villain either though I think the TC had a poor choice of words and “adversary” would be better. Though I will say that from the start, Galleon seemed to be the total “man of honor, dies for his country” type. These types on these games go two ways. Either they are A) Blindly loyal to the ruler, even if the ruler goes insane and does evil stuff and then they die late in the game but die in a honorable way and may even realize that the ruler is evil but still must "do their duty" and may even help the hero right before death. Or B) They are still loyal for a while but then realize they are loyal to the country and not the ruler and join the cause to topple them. As we find out, Galleon is in Part B but no I’m not surprised he stayed with the “villain” side but also figured he’d “see the light” and be on our side by the end. | |
vermillion719 posted... I think you're misunderstanding me here. I'm not saying I went all the way to the end of the game expecting Galleon to turn on me. I realized he wouldn't be an enemy during that scene in the Sun Palace where he and Miakis are protecting the princess. But up to that point, the possibility existed for him to be an enemy, at least in my eyes. Hmm. I thought it would have been more evident before that but to each his own. Consider this: we don't really see much of Galleon until the Queen's Campaign. We know he's from Lordlake, which was destroyed by the queen. He's obviously quite old, which would give him years of experience and cunning. And of the Queen's Knights, the only other ones who are as formal and "knightly" as he is are Zahhak and Alenia, whose speech and behaviors immediately give them "villain" status. Galleon is completely 180 in speech and behavior from Alenia and Zahak. Alenia is, from the get go, a clear Godwin supporter and is obsessed with Gizel. That's what marks her as a future villain. Zahak is cold, dispassionate and clearly only cares about keeping order and since he sees the Godwins as being the most capable, he's marked as a villain. Galleon's demeanor, however, is one of noble bearing and concern. There's nothing that he says or does that would make him villain material. He's clearly dedicated to his duty. Would it really be so impossible, at the beginning of a first playthrough, to see Galleon as the crafty leader of a trio of betrayers? Maybe you didn't see that, but do you really find it so unbelievable that others might distrust a man who behaves the way he does and has a very clearly stated reason as to why he might want revenge on the queen? I can only judge by how you arrived at your conclusion. I simply don't think it's all that reasonable. --- Poison Clan Rocks The World. | |
It's not that I didn't trust Galleon, but rather the collection of knights in general. When the game throws a bunch of knights at you right from the get go, my JRPG instincts kicked in and I knew some of them were going to betray you The only problrm is - which ones? Kyle and Miakis were quickly disregarded since they joined your party - with how many characters there are in the game, it doesn't make sense to create battle sprites and stats for characters who won't join you in the long run Which left Alenia and Zahhak, or whatever his dumb name is, and Galleon. With Alenia and Zahak it was clear where their loyalties lied pretty early on, which left Galleon. And I dunno, I kind of expected more from him In the dungeon before Queen's Campaign, you fought Alenia and then Miakis. Miakis then joined you with little fanfare. Then Queen's Campaign happened, you fight Alenia then Zahhak then Galleon. I assumed Galleon would die here in the honorable way already mentioned Instead, his turn around and recruitment is totally overshadowed with Lyon getting wounded. Galleon joining should be more of a bigger deal. Miakis was always destined to join you, but Galleon could have gone either way. His decision to join you should have been a huge deal - he finally sees past his loyalties to the Queen and chooses his country first. Instead it becomes "Lyon's hurt? That sucks. Guess I'll join you" It's worse that after he joins he basically brings nothing to the story. This was your guy on the inside, he has to know something about anything. Nope, he'll just stand around doing nothing for the rest of the game. Thanks Galleon. Why do you even exist dude? --- My friends call me Hadoken because I'm down-right fierce LADIES WATCH OUT FOR YOUR MAN HE MAY BE TRYING TO EAT 50 MCNUGGETS AS YOU READ THIS | |
^lol...that's a pretty harsh assessment, but I get what you mean. I did enjoy the exchange between Galleon and Silva when she convinces him to stay and help the Prince out, but I also thought he'd have more to do or say. Truth to tell, I was actually rather expecting him to come forward with something like: "Yeah, I really couldn't stand Alenia and Zahak, so that's why I wasn't out there assisting them, but you know Gizel...he thought I was too wrapped up with protecting the Queen to notice any of his plans. Well, he was wrong. I noticed quite a bit...". I was anticipating the strategy of the final war battle to revolve around the info Galleon had tucked away inside his skull. He's one of the story elements that I thought deserved a bigger part in how things turned out. Ah well...I'll let the old man be. --- Poison Clan Rocks The World. | |
Final Legion posted... Truth to tell, I was actually rather expecting him to come forward with something like: "Yeah, I really couldn't stand Alenia and Zahak, so that's why I wasn't out there assisting them, but you know Gizel...he thought I was too wrapped up with protecting the Queen to notice any of his plans. Well, he was wrong. I noticed quite a bit...". I was anticipating the strategy of the final war battle to revolve around the info Galleon had tucked away inside his skull. Oh God...that would have been so cool! I always thought the last war battles were a bit underwhelming anyway, so that would've made them awesome! D: As to the topic, I guess I can't really argue my point any further. At the end of the day, my suspicions about Galleon were mostly a gut feeling anyway. At the very least, I feel like he was too irrelevant to the plot, given he's one of the damn Queen's Knights. I mean, hell. Georg did a LOT of behind-the-scenes stuff that was crucial to the war. Kyle was a major figure in the Lelcar events and the Queen's Campaign. Miakis took Lyon's place for the Sauronix and Deep Twilight Forest events. Lyon herself was there for almost the entire damn game. Zahhak and Alenia were major villains that we saw semi-regularly throughout the game. And then Galleon...got spoken lines in the Queen's Campaign and a little bit of interesting backstory immediately after before fading into obscurity. Like, what is that, seriously? --- "He's like Rock Lee but with 300% less eyebrows and 10000% more MAN." - Ryuu_Akamatsu Pokemon Black: Kyce, 0776-4729-5206 |
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