Beginner question on resident/item collecting

#1Shindou765Posted 6/10/2009 11:15:55 PM
I've looked through a couple of posts and videos and realized that some people take only 100hours to get the best weapon, the best armors/accessories, make a character level 9999, and beat Baals. I never quite saw the residents, but I'm assuming they must have 19998 gladiators.

On Disgaea 1, I collected 10,000 gladiators and a few other residents. Didn't even have a Yoshi, or Legendary Cosmic Blade (though I had a legendary Amano-Hahakiri). I got to Baal, but he owned my strongest character (Level 4000 Laharl) in one hit. My play time at this point was around 90hrs. Now, I'm playing Disgaea 2, and I fear taking the same amount of time to get the same results as my Disgaea 1 file.


I think I must be doing something wrong. Can someone tell me the fastest way to get the first/second/third strongest weapon/armor/accessory and collect residents? I seem to be taking more time than everyone else.
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#2Master_GamerPosted 6/11/2009 12:50:40 AM
I've looked through a couple of posts and videos and realized that some people take only 100hours to get the best weapon, the best armors/accessories, make a character level 9999, and beat Baals. I never quite saw the residents, but I'm assuming they must have 19998 gladiators.

You don't need supercharged equipment to beat Baal, at least in this game. The real challange is honestly Prinny Baal in the Land of Carnage, which multiplies enemy level by 20 and doubles their base stats.

On Disgaea 1, I collected 10,000 gladiators and a few other residents. Didn't even have a Yoshi, or Legendary Cosmic Blade (though I had a legendary Amano-Hahakiri). I got to Baal, but he owned my strongest character (Level 4000 Laharl) in one hit. My play time at this point was around 90hrs. Now, I'm playing Disgaea 2, and I fear taking the same amount of time to get the same results as my Disgaea 1 file.

How good was your armor? Baal's strong, but I doubt good armor wouldn't have made a difference. And a lot of people cheese Baal to some degree, with a combanation of stealing his Super Robo Suit and Nemisis, buffing their attacker, lifting Baal, ect. And just to make sure, you did reincarnate Laharl, right? And have good Weapon Mastery?

I think I must be doing something wrong. Can someone tell me the fastest way to get the first/second/third strongest weapon/armor/accessory and collect residents? I seem to be taking more time than everyone else.

You steal them. Exactly how it worked in D1. Well, almost. Basically, equipment of every rank up until rank 39 can be stolen, although it's ideal to work your way up through stealing after a while before you start mass leveling. The R39 weapons and armor can be found in the Item World on the Bonus Gauge or equipped on enemies themselves.

From there, you go to the Land of Carnage (see Pirates Guide) and steal from the Item God. You can only steal the R40 equipment from him in the LoC.
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#3RajamicPosted 6/11/2009 4:36:38 PM
The early part of powerleveling is pretty much the same in D1 and D2 as far as speed is concerned. But in D2, once you get to the best powerleveling map, you can max out your stored levels far far faster. Also, each piece of equipment only has 8 slots at max, rather than 16 like in D1, and you have Teacher specialists, which have a chance every tenth floor in an item world to randomly add 5% to the power of any other subdued specialist.
#4Shindou765(Topic Creator)Posted 6/11/2009 10:15:31 PM
Thanks for the responses. I have a few more questions though.

What is the minimum necessary effort to defeat Item God? I have my first R39 weapon (God's Fist), and I learned that I need to be in the LoC to get the legendary R40. I believe LoC monsters are 20x the level and 2x stronger than the corresponding Holt Village monsters. If I were to try and take on the R39's item god, what is the minimum stats I would need?

Or rather, in terms of characters and items, what is the easiest, or one of the easier, monsters to catch and equip them with to defeat Item God? I read somewhere that an Observer from Dark World 1-1 would suffice, but remembering what I saw in Disgaea 1, Item God doesn't look too friendly. I have 4 9999 Nekomatas and 1 9999 wood golem to catch monsters with.

Also, I still would like to know if there is a faster resident gathering method that I don't know of. People talk about have 19998 Gladiators and Sentrys and etc, yet, when I try to obtain them by going through item after item, it takes hours just to get a few thousand.
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#5Master_GamerPosted 6/12/2009 4:35:21 PM
What is the minimum necessary effort to defeat Item God? I have my first R39 weapon (God's Fist), and I learned that I need to be in the LoC to get the legendary R40. I believe LoC monsters are 20x the level and 2x stronger than the corresponding Holt Village monsters. If I were to try and take on the R39's item god, what is the minimum stats I would need?

Well, he's level 9999. And IIRC, Land of Carnage keeps giving stat boosts to enemies once they hit the cap. So...well, can you kill a level 9999 enemy that will probally have stupid high stats? In D3, the LoC Item God of an R39 was stronger than Baal by a long shot, who himself had 1,000,000 stats all around.

You know though, you don't have to kill him. Sure, you lose a significant boost to your item, but you have an infinite chain of Ultimuses anyway.

Also, I still would like to know if there is a faster resident gathering method that I don't know of. People talk about have 19998 Gladiators and Sentrys and etc, yet, when I try to obtain them by going through item after item, it takes hours just to get a few thousand

No one said it was easy, just that they did it. The postgame's a long hard slog to number one.
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#6RajamicPosted 6/14/2009 9:22:36 PM
How to increase the speed of leveling a specialist? I'll use Gladiators in the example:

1) Get a level 100 Teacher
2) Find a high-rank item with multiple Gladiators in it. Combine them, move the Teacher (and any large subdued Gladiator you have) to it, and enter it.
3) Subdue the Gladiator.
4) Continue to the next tenth floor and clear it. If you go to the Innocent Town, use the Teacher to level up the Gladiator. Then leave the item.
5) Repeat from Step 2 as needed.

If the Teacher is level 100, it will appear in *every* Innocent Town. Once the specialist it levels up reaches 2000, that's a free 100 points when you hit the Innocent Town. at 10,000, you get a free 500 points.
#7zmknightzPosted 6/14/2009 9:47:58 PM
I really reccomend using Pcsx2 if your computer can support PS2 emulation. It's far easier to max post-game because rather than repeating 10 levels from a normal save every time trying to make sure you get the right mystery gates and the right result in item town (assembly chicken, teachers, etc) you can simply save state before killing the last enemy or walking onto the exit stage map, then load state and try again instantly if it doesn't work out.

Note that with ending a battle by killing all opponents the next level (or whether you get innocent town or not or get the assembly chicken or not) is determined when you press "x" after seeing the bonus list results so you CAN save state with the bonus list screen up and just wait a second or so longer every time to press "X" to get a different result..... while the result you get on the next floor (or through a mystery gate) is determined by the exact time you step on the gate to leave the current stage,so you can NOT save while a character is already walking towards the gate or you will get the exact same result every time you load state.

Also the timing for different "random" results on loading a stage passes VERY quickly (more than one chance per second) but also repeat in a random pattern.

For example if you save state and click to walk to a mystery gate instantly you might get a brothel... while 1/10th of a second later you might get a cell phone dealer... and another 1/10th of a second might be a mana potion dealer, then it repeats with the brothel again the next change... if you reload a state repeatedly and keep getting results you don't want it's best to wait a few seconds after loading and save again just to change the pattern your on then try/reload a few more times. I've seen patterns where in 100 reloads I never once got a fortune teller, and also times where I've gotten them 5 loads in a row... it usually takes about 5 minutes of reloading state to hit a great luck fortune teller, but if you realize that's only through 10 mystery gates (50 mins to an hour total time reloading saves) it's actually MUCH faster to get an item to level 200 than the usual save->10 levels of hoping ->retry all 10 levels approach.

One playthrough using this method I had an Ultimus at level 200 when it was only on item world level 58, at around 68 hours total play time.

Keep in mind you don't need a max resident for everyone, I got Adell one max gladiator, sentry, and marksman, and my mage one max tutor...other than one max armsmaster I passed character to character that's all I bothered with.

Adell with level 200 rarity 0 Ultimus, SRS, Makai Wars, and Cosmo Muscle with a max specialist for hit, d, and atk can take upb alone, even easier if you make Adell stand still and stick to Big Bang so his combo % keeps growing.