What counters Graves?

#11Morrowind789Posted 8/23/2012 8:55:24 PM
JaggiJumper posted...
khoaNGx posted...
Ezreal, Corki and Graves are all strong, solid picks. I don't think any counters the other, just mainly comes down to who outplays the other.


Ezreal beats Corki and Graves because of maxing W. Harass in lane without pushing it, and forcing trades with W.


Wasn't his w severely nerfed, especially if your going ad
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#12JaggiJumperPosted 8/23/2012 9:03:28 PM
Morrowind789 posted...
JaggiJumper posted...
khoaNGx posted...
Ezreal, Corki and Graves are all strong, solid picks. I don't think any counters the other, just mainly comes down to who outplays the other.


Ezreal beats Corki and Graves because of maxing W. Harass in lane without pushing it, and forcing trades with W.


Wasn't his w severely nerfed, especially if your going ad


Small damage nerf, and it wasn't max'd for the damage, it was max'd for the debuff.
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#13BelligeroPosted 8/23/2012 9:04:09 PM
Morrowind789 posted...
JaggiJumper posted...
khoaNGx posted...
Ezreal, Corki and Graves are all strong, solid picks. I don't think any counters the other, just mainly comes down to who outplays the other.


Ezreal beats Corki and Graves because of maxing W. Harass in lane without pushing it, and forcing trades with W.


Wasn't his w severely nerfed, especially if your going ad


Its base damage was nerfed and its AP ratios were slightly improved. But that's besides the point. W is strong because of the attack speed reduction.

That said, it is still a skill shot, and skill shots do miss. Both Graves and Corki (well, mostly Graves) have repositioning skills and can both easily dodge it and return powerful burst via their skills in lane.
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#14topopoxPosted 8/23/2012 9:05:10 PM
I think Corki easily counters Graves.
#15JaggiJumperPosted 8/23/2012 9:14:01 PM
khoaNGx posted...
That said, it is still a skill shot, and skill shots do miss. Both Graves and Corki (well, mostly Graves) have repositioning skills and can both easily dodge it and return powerful burst via their skills in lane.


Corki, 100 mana movement skill on a 26 second cooldown, meanwhile Ezreal's W is on a 9 second cooldown with 50-90 mana. Valkyrie also has cast time. When I lane against Corki or Graves as Ezreal, I hit the majority of my Ws and the ones I don't, were juked not dodged. His W has a giant hitbox and travels fast.

And can dodge it and return powerful burst? WITH SKILL SHOTS. Ezreal has a much better repositioning skill than Graves AND Corki, so has a much easier time dodging them.
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