Sunfire is a bad item always

#11tweakerlimePosted 10/9/2012 11:56:39 AM
I like it a lot on Sejuani. Lots of health (for her scaling) and decent armor in one item slot. Accompanies Randuins nicely, and also works well along with her W.
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#12Extension_Force(Topic Creator)Posted 10/9/2012 11:58:28 AM
Spacefrisian posted...
Works for me on Leona.


super late game? its still sub optimal compared to the other items i listed. and if you're building it early at all you're doing it wrong as support. you should not have 2600 extra gold to put into this bad item instead of other stuff, and even if you are snowballing there are still better choices
#13ineedaname88Posted 10/9/2012 12:00:53 PM
What is this, Late game?
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#14centurion911Posted 10/9/2012 12:02:52 PM
Sunfire's awesome. Adds nice trading damage for Shen and Malph (especially since Malph needs both the HP and the armor). 40 damage to 5 different people adds up after a while, it could be just enough to win a fight.
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#15zazz9Posted 10/9/2012 12:03:18 PM
TC must really be bad if he thinks this..... REALLY BAD.


While the damage falls off endgame vs players..... it still gives you good damage (for no mana cost) vs creeps and allows you to farm where most tanks are generally REALLY BAD FARMERS. As a first item it does really good damage to any player until they have 2 big items... then it will really appear to be doing nothing... but you will still be able to free farm and match them item for item with your much easier farming.

It is by far... the best first item to get for a tank... by far (might be some exceptions for certain champs with some weird builds but generally Sunfire is your best choice as 1st item.... while sometimes getting a Negatron Cloak first and then finishing Sunfire as 1st item).
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#16Extension_Force(Topic Creator)Posted 10/9/2012 12:05:44 PM
g-cube_masta posted...
You're confusing cost inefficient for bad.


The item is fine and has its uses.

It is great on Shen.


Also the damage mid game is actually really high. As a first/second item it is really noticeable how much damage it contributes. People don't first item MR that often and if they are you were winning the lane anyways.

Randuin's/FH are better in most situations but for some champs Sunfire is fine.


it should never be getting built as a first/second item on anyone though. sunfire + any other item is going to be inferior to warmogs/GA/Randuins/FH etc.

and its not that having it is going to hurt your champ or be completely useless, but the reason it is so useless is because it is NEVER the best choice
#17Edgemaster70000Posted 10/9/2012 12:06:03 PM
Sunfire might also be fairly good for retreating. If the person chasing you is right on your heels the entire time they're chasing you, they'll likely take a significant amount of damage from your cape in the meantime.
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#18shrimp1992Posted 10/9/2012 12:06:32 PM
Gotta buy it in Vladimir. Real vampires sparkle.
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#19centurion911Posted 10/9/2012 12:08:12 PM
Extension_Force posted...
g-cube_masta posted...
You're confusing cost inefficient for bad.


The item is fine and has its uses.

It is great on Shen.


Also the damage mid game is actually really high. As a first/second item it is really noticeable how much damage it contributes. People don't first item MR that often and if they are you were winning the lane anyways.

Randuin's/FH are better in most situations but for some champs Sunfire is fine.


it should never be getting built as a first/second item on anyone though. sunfire + any other item is going to be inferior to warmogs/GA/Randuins/FH etc.

and its not that having it is going to hurt your champ or be completely useless, but the reason it is so useless is because it is NEVER the best choice


I disagree. Flat Health and armor along with damage will allow you to win trades that you were losing as Shen/Malph. It also helps them push the lane that much harder (especially for Shen since he wants to push and teleport)
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#20LordMordorPosted 10/9/2012 12:08:24 PM
Is it cost inefficient...yes
Are other armor items better for defense/support...90% of the time yeah


But there are still champions that use it very well.

Shen comes to mind to increase his farming ability, and with mummy it combines very well with his tears
Sej can use it as well

If your one of the few champs who can make it work, it's not a terrible item
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