Who's to blame in this vid?

#11Harmful00Posted 11/9/2012 5:58:08 AM
soraka should've build AP if you want kills
#12Harmful00Posted 11/9/2012 5:58:41 AM
silence then starfall, then AA, then starfall. wants it bad
#13Blizzard09Posted 11/9/2012 6:13:50 AM
You left graves alone... You can't say you went to silence him cause you stayed there to fight.

Your a douchie support for leaving your AD to chase fiddle, the stay and help fight fiddle (in which you even tried using starfall or what her Q is called at the last second with the intent to get the kill.

Next time silence the person that is attacking your ADC rather then a fiddle that skarner is about to ult.
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#14angermngment101Posted 11/9/2012 6:20:02 AM
Im trying to understand WHY ezreal won that. Or even HOW.

Graves: Zerkers, BF, Dorans, pickaxe
Ezreal: Phage, boots of speed, amplifying tome


WHAT THE ****?

How OP is ez?
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#15End_of_DayPosted 11/9/2012 6:35:05 AM(edited)
It was Graves' positioning that led to his own death.

Soraka's warding was safe and it baited fid to get out of position.

Graves blew everything and left himself at the mercy of Ezreal with Phage.

Graves was going to die even if Soraka turned around because he hung around to fight Ez after blowing everything on Fid.

It's easily more Graves' fault than Soraka's that he died.

A smarter Graves would have just continued cs-ing without blowing any cooldowns.

The argument that I'm seeing most in this topic is that Soraka should have helped Graves after he made a bad play and that's fine and all, but it doesn't equivocate to blame for the Graves' death.
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#16beedtrackerPosted 11/9/2012 6:32:50 AM
End_of_Day posted...
It was Graves' positioning that led to his own death.

Soraka's warding was safe and it baited fid to get out of position.

Graves blew everything and left himself at the mercy of Ezreal with Phage.

Graves was going to die even if Soraka turned around because he hung around to fight Ez after blowing everything on Fid.

It's easily more Graves' fault than Soraka's that he died.

A smarter Graves would have just continued cs-ing without blowing any cooldowns.


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#17Badmood136Posted 11/9/2012 6:37:39 AM(edited)
Both players' faults, imo. Graves shouldn't have turned his back on Ezreal, even if he had a gold advantage, and definitely shouldn't have burned his skills on a Fiddles that was out of position and about get get jumped by Skarner and Morderkaiser. On the other hand, Soraka shouldn't have stuck around in that fight. Silencing Fiddles was okay, but the support's primary focus is making sure their carry survives the early-game, which typically entails not leaving them alone and at the mercy of another carry who still has all their cooldowns and and a phage.
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#18Pawkie07Posted 11/9/2012 6:37:57 AM
nerf ez
#19Mouse_CrousePosted 11/9/2012 6:54:48 AM
Yeah, I'd have to agree with people say it's both.

Graves blew his dash just to land a skill he would have landed otherwise, and instead of retreating toward tri-bush he stayed in a losing duel with no CDs. I don't' believe Ez would have chased toward tri-bush with 3 revealed enemies on his map. having said that, you did get tunnel vision on fiddle and should have gone back to assist even if that would mean Fiddle getting away, your objective as support is to keep your carry alive at all costs. Would you have saved him? I don't think so. I'm not sure your heal and zoning would have been enough, he was ignited and ult'd with no escapes. Hindsight is 20/20 and theres no way to know these things when they are happening, but the important thing should be for both of you to learn from it.

Having said that, the fault isn't really the big issue here. You stated that it lead to an argument. What's more important is how it was handled after. In that instance, with both of you making some clear mistakes, you should just chalk it up to a learning experience and move on. Not get into a big argument that most likely contributed to a losing game after.
#20SmishhhPosted 11/9/2012 6:56:48 AM
Really surprised by so many people blaming the support. In hindsight its pretty clear going back bot would have been a better choice, but Graves wasn't cornered or anything. Wasn't like he was getting dove on, he should have simply ran away from Ezreal once he realized he wasn't trying to kill Soraka.

The biggest mistake in the entire video is at 30 seconds. Graves dashes to the BUSH, instead of farther to the left. That is what got him killed essentially. He could have dashed to Soraka and made sure she was safe, while being totally safe himself.

Graves fault.