who counters jax?

#11XxAzerothxXPosted 11/19/2012 1:13:29 PM
anilEhilated posted...
Olaf and Trundle. A well-played Irelia to a lesser extent.


No and no. Jax wins if he saves his counter-strike for when the duel is engaged for three to four seconds when Olaf typically will activate his 'W' and thus completely negating the majority of his additional damage + the olaf's necessary life-steal which leads to Jax ultimately winning outright.

Trundle is okay, but Jax can outharass him by double-tapping a minion then going up to 'W' Trundle and leaping away if Trundle tries to harass back.
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#12mantana888Posted 11/19/2012 1:13:49 PM
Someone who is strong early. Jax is very weak pre-6, so champs like Garen and Renekton should be good against him unless they're stupid and walk into counterstrikes.

Udyr can win the lane very easily if he gets an early kill(levels 1-3), which isn't very hard if you're going offensive runes and masteries. Udyr can fight him reasonably well mid-game.
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#13Blbmbr666Posted 11/19/2012 1:15:16 PM
Why does nobody remember Swain? He eats Jax alive.
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#14XxAzerothxXPosted 11/19/2012 1:16:51 PM
Blbmbr666 posted...
Why does nobody remember Swain? He eats Jax alive.


This is the only thing I can think of that might be able to beat Jax pre-6.
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#15POkemon_PoWeRPosted 11/19/2012 1:18:11 PM
Shen
Easily outfarms him
You can play super passive let him push to tower and then just E him
Escapes ganks and counter strikes with E
Innately tanky
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#16XxAzerothxXPosted 11/19/2012 1:19:37 PM
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#17XxAzerothxXPosted 11/19/2012 1:21:16 PM
POkemon_PoWeR posted...
Shen
Easily outfarms him
You can play super passive let him push to tower and then just E him
Escapes ganks and counter strikes with E
Innately tanky


Nope; Shen is only tanky after buying a few items, before then he is forced to use his 'W' to negate Jax's damage which prevents 'Q' or 'E' spam. Jax can out-harass him using the double-tap minion then leap-strike-AA-W to get Shen down to half hp, then he can move in for the kill with double tap-E-Q-AA-W-ignite.
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#18Rookie_JetPosted 11/19/2012 1:25:49 PM
mantana888 posted...
Someone who is strong early. Jax is very weak pre-6, so champs like Garen and Renekton should be good against him unless they're stupid and walk into counterstrikes.

Udyr can win the lane very easily if he gets an early kill(levels 1-3), which isn't very hard if you're going offensive runes and masteries. Udyr can fight him reasonably well mid-game.


Jax isn't any weaker pre-6 than most champs. Not sure why everyone says this...W->Q harass is very strong, especially if you're lucky enough to be by the bush to avoid retaliation. Also, his ult doesn't make him game-changing stronger at level 6 when you probably don't have that much AS anyway. I'd argue Riven's ult makes her stronger than Jax's ult makes him.

So...
Blbmbr666 posted...
Why does nobody remember Swain? He eats Jax alive.
#19happyscrub1Posted 11/19/2012 1:26:09 PM
Rookie_Jet posted...
happyscrub1 posted...
Laning:

garen and renekton do well against him.
Fiora can out play him and snowball on him.
Udry can harass him early and ignore him late laning.
Trundle (from what I heard) pwns him because his ult hardcounters jax ult.

Teamfights:

CC and burst damage


Disagree with Garen, Udyr, and Renekton. Garen will soak the damage well and heal it off, but I don't see him overall winning that lane at all...Udyr needs to be close to Jax which is never a good thing. Counter stun for stun and Jax will win that trade. Same with Renekton.

Fiora vs Jax has been argued on here a lot. It's usually agree Jax has a slight advantage, but with good outside influence, it could go either way.

Trundle makes a lot of sense though. I just never see him. The few times I have seen him, it's in the jungle rather than top. I'm about to buy him though so we'll see.



Garen...runs at him and hits Q. Jax can't dodge his Q. And even if jax stuns garen, it doesn't stops his spinning in his face for more damage. Jax has no answer for early game. Jax only has a chance vs garen when he gets sustain items... which takes a long time. PLenty of time for garen to abuse his power.

Udry has turtle stance and can stun jax when jax stuns him (udry stun can't be dodged). Udry has sustain with turtle stance. Jax only can take on udry with items. Udry can then turtle stance to farm and kite jax when he tries to fight after jax gets items.

Renekton wins trades with jax because renekton WILL get off his full combo everytime. Jax has to get lucky to get off a full combo. Plus renekton has sustain and no mana. Jax won't be able to keep up.


People need to learn that jax is only jax with items. Before items, he's a frail little kid. I think the problem is people play top lane too passively.
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#20mantana888Posted 11/19/2012 1:27:00 PM
XxAzerothxX posted...
mantana888 posted...
Someone who is strong early. Jax is very weak pre-6, so champs like Garen and Renekton should be good against him unless they're stupid and walk into counterstrikes.

Udyr can win the lane very easily if he gets an early kill(levels 1-3), which isn't very hard if you're going offensive runes and masteries. Udyr can fight him reasonably well mid-game.


Mid-game? Are you crazy? Jax'll rape him sideways: Udyr relies heavily on either Phoenix [Which'll be 99% negated by Jax's ult] or Tiger Stance [Which won't do any damage if Jax is in counter-strike] which means that for at least two seconds, Udyr isn't doing any damage AND Jax is going to hit Udyr /very/ hard as Udyr's attack speed is monumentally increased while in Tiger Stance [. This spell deals 20% additional damage for each attack dodged to a maximum of 100% increased damage.]

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That's why you don't autoattack Jax while he's in counterstrike....

And even if you do hit him once while he's using his E, Q's magic damage isn't dodged. Even if Jax does get his stun off, he's not going to be able to duel Udyr until at least level 4.

All Udyr has to do is wait until Jax tries to come in for CS and punish him hard. If he leap strikes in, then he's just blown his escaping and chasing tool. If he tries to walk up to get CS, just tiger his face and force him back.

Come mid-game, the Udyr should be at least two levels above the Jax unless the enemy jungler/mid camped his lane. Q is hitting like a truck, W sustain and shield is good, and he still has a stun.

The only problem with the lane is tahat Udyr is easily ganked.
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