Diana- Super OP or is it just me??

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3 years ago#51
From: _HeX | #050
Noblesse_ posted...
Not for the laning phase, more so for teamfights and team comps.


That's assuming you can make it through laning without feeding Kat/Diana, you can't stop them from roaming either so it would be difficult to say the least.


It comes down to jungle presence. And not substantially falling behind before 6 and grabbing first blue. Once gragas is 6 and has blue, Kat literally can't dont anything to him unless Gragas plays too passive and gets poked by Q. He roams just as hard especiallly with blue, and push lane faster than Kat. Against Diana, it'd turn into a farm lane, because both are pretty beefy and can survive each others tower dives. The only thing that would change this is jungler presence or who gets poked down more by harass.

Note this isn't Solo Q either. A lot of early things are done to relieve pressure from the jungler early on. Mainly the early Wraith ward everyone literally has been doing.
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3 years ago#52
From: _HeX | #050
Noblesse_ posted...
Not for the laning phase, more so for teamfights and team comps.


That's assuming you can make it through laning without feeding Kat/Diana, you can't stop them from roaming either so it would be difficult to say the least.


uh, I dunno what gragas-es you've played against, but the guy pushes about as hard as Morde.
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3 years ago#53
land her Q and away you go
VERY hard to get away from her once she can slow with some additional items >.>
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3 years ago#54
Idk what that means Kiba, but I would rethink building Rylais or the Gatt if that's what you're talking about...
3 years ago#55
From: Walker_Real | #034
g-cube "AoE damage dealers like Ahri,"

Yah clearly you've never played both champions because other than Ahri's R good luck hitting more than one person with her spells in tower siege. If you're hitting more than 1-2 with her Q I'm more impressed than you dealing more damage from a distance with Diana, lolol.

Whatta joke. Lemme guess that's why we see so many Ahris in competitive play instead of Dianas? OH WAIT


Hitting multiple people with Ahri's LINE skillshot is much easier to do than with Diana's Curved line skillshot. Especially since Ahri gets two gos of it, one of which is doing true damage.

In fights Ahri's Q W and R are all AoE damage, rarely is her W single target in that situation. Plus she ults 3 times. Ahri's Q is also 50 base damage higher than Diana's, plus the fact that it has partial true damage more than makes up for the 4% less in AP ratio.

And yeah there have been way more Ahris in competitive play than Dianas.

From: gkh5 | #039
g-cube_masta posted...
From: gkh5 | #028
Diana now has no weaknesses aside from very early laning maybe where she is still not bad.


Wow holy s--- it's almost like you can pick items in the store to build that make your champion less weak.


This is revolutionary. You might be on to something really big here.


Anyways the fact that she is still majority single target damage still holds her back.

And don't forget that her bonus burst is based upon landing her Q. Which is never a guarantee. Even if you have perfect aim people can still flash/dash/blink it.

What happens when the teamfight starts and the target(s) your Q was aiming for evade it? Risk using your ult now and put it on CD or spend time twiddling your thumbs trying not to die while you wait for Q to come up?


You keep bringing up burst. Stop worrying about her burst. Q if you have an easy shot, R onto a carry, press W, E another couple champs, Q everyone you vacuumed then get as many people as you can with your passive (which is AoE and easy to get multiple people with as you practice her more). Hourglass to remove the focus you're drawing and buy some time for your CD's. You have just done a serious amount of damage and disruption while also soaking up a lot of damage.

Everyone keeps building and playing Diana like an assassin. As soon as people realize she's better off played like Irelia or another bruiser, you'll realize she brings MUCH more to a team in every way when played like this. Yeah there are team comps that building/playing her as an assassin will work, but she is so much more effective in general when you play her like a tanky top laner, albeit using your kit to destroy mid and start snowballing early.

Edit: All I can really say is try it. Yeah burst and Nashor's and all kinds of stuff sounds like it synergizes with her so well blah blah blah. But she has more than enough burst even without building a Dcap until your 3rd or 4th item after boots. So if you're really concerned about her burst, it will still be there. Her passive is her biggest source of damage late game and the best way to maximize that source or damage is to stay alive as long as possible in the very middle of fights.



2 things:

1. That's a pretty ideal situation you're talking about there.

2. I wasn't saying bruiser Diana is bad. I was just talking about how she is not OP and that building those items does not eliminate all of her weaknesses.

I like a bruiser-y Diana build too, though I opt out of RoA because I don't like it on her. I lean towards Abyssal/Rylai's/Zhonya's.
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3 years ago#56
Voidgolem posted...
From: _HeX | #046
Noblesse_ posted...
What I don't get is, with all these Katarina and Diana picks, where the hell are the gragas picks?


What the hell is Gragas gonna do against those two? He'd be constantly bullied every time he goes for a last hit, oom himself from trying to last hit with barrels and proceed to get roflstomped.


Gragas should actually do alright versus Kat, what with Drunken Rage or w/e being basically infinite mana (and scaling well enough to go nuts with the dorans for extra regen)

dunno what exactly he's supposed to do versus Diana, though.


I'm a mediocre Kat, but I think I could beat Gragas 99% of the time. Kat should absolutely OWN Gragas.
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3 years ago#57
shes annoying af and is in al of my games
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3 years ago#58
From: Baggi__Bumper | #056
I'm a mediocre Kat, but I think I could beat Gragas 99% of the time. Kat should absolutely OWN Gragas.


I'm not saying he'll stomp her, but he can hold his own.

I don't think there's currently a mid out there that can "beat" Kat in her current state assuming both parties are played well. Not without jungle help.
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3 years ago#59
Voidgolem posted...
From: Baggi__Bumper | #056
I'm a mediocre Kat, but I think I could beat Gragas 99% of the time. Kat should absolutely OWN Gragas.


I'm not saying he'll stomp her, but he can hold his own.

I don't think there's currently a mid out there that can "beat" Kat in her current state assuming both parties are played well. Not without jungle help.


Hello Diana? Diana's whole kit screams I COUNTER U KATARINA
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3 years ago#60
From: _HeX | #059
Voidgolem posted...
From: Baggi__Bumper | #056
I'm a mediocre Kat, but I think I could beat Gragas 99% of the time. Kat should absolutely OWN Gragas.


I'm not saying he'll stomp her, but he can hold his own.

I don't think there's currently a mid out there that can "beat" Kat in her current state assuming both parties are played well. Not without jungle help.


Hello Diana? Diana's whole kit screams I COUNTER U KATARINA


Then you get into the paradoxical territory of "IF YOU'RE HIT BY SKILLSHOTS YOU'RE BAD BUT IF YOU MISS YOU'RE BAD" and quibbling over ideal cases for either side.
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