Is it the middlers responsibility to prevent the other one from roaming?

#31ShurikoPosted 11/30/2012 8:02:32 PM(edited)
From: EltoniaX | #030
Lulz, well you can keep playing mid incorrectly if you want. Don't really care as long as you aren't on my team, which you won't be because your elo is too low.


Do you realize how much you've degenerated? You haven't made a single argument that I've been unable to disprove

You're like a millionaire that has suddenly had all of his wealth crumble apart below him

So pitiable



shhh

no more tears

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#32Gun SagePosted 11/30/2012 8:05:30 PM
Shuriko, in your scenario bot is backing off to avoid being towerdived by 3-4 people, or your jungler has come to help on a 4v3... Depending on levels and how skilled the players are, one side will push the tower and damage it, one side will defend.


So, we have bot backing off so that they don't die... And that tower being damaged. Or we have the jungler coming to help, and fighting out a 4v3 under tower. Either way that doesn't sound like it can end well for you.
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#33DoctorEggmanPosted 11/30/2012 8:06:20 PM
Shuriko posted...
From: EltoniaX | #011
Three champions bottom can tower dive or force the enemy bottom back. If the enemy bottom goes back then you just got a dragon. If only the game was as simple as you are pretending it is.


lol what?

are you implying the enemy mid sitting bot for 5 minutes is a good thing for them?

2 people can hold a tower against 3 if they aren't horribly behind


but 3 people can tower dive very easily to get rid of a single, squishy target
especially when the team's burst is botlane helping with the gank (the midlaner)

Pushing out midlane and heading bot to discourage a fight or countergank is generally the best idea at hand. If the enemy jungler is low or dead, and bot lane is in an advantageous position even with the 3v2 situation, you can instead head top to try something there, or you can head bot and see if you can pick somebody off.

Mages that don't make plays midgame are useless. Their power peak is midgame, and you need to abuse your level advantage over botlane as much as possible.

Also note that a kill gets you a TON of EXP, more than enough to catch you right back up.
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#34ShurikoPosted 11/30/2012 8:07:22 PM
From: Gun Sage | #032
So, we have bot backing off so that they don't die... And that tower being damaged. Or we have the jungler coming to help, and fighting out a 4v3 under tower. Either way that doesn't sound like it can end well for you.


No, we have bot backing up onto the tower and using the wave clear they have (since, you know, ranged champions go bot) to defend the tower without dying

If bot is divable with no sustain left they've done something wrong
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#35iddZk33pPosted 11/30/2012 8:14:14 PM
Shuriko posted...
From: EltoniaX | #026
1. Whether bot has wards or not is kind of irrelevant if the intent is to tower dive. If the bot lane does have wards and leaves lane fearing a tower dive then they have given up a lot, so the gank was successful.


HAHHAHAH

WHAT AM I READING

IT'S LIKE YOU JUST HIT SUMMONER LEVEL 30 AND ARE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF GAME MECHANICS


so you're saying if mid gets bottom lane to leave tower, it's not a loss for the bottom lane that had to leave? are uncontested dragons not worth anything?
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#36dennis941012Posted 11/30/2012 8:14:52 PM
EltoniaX posted...
Lulz, well you can keep playing mid incorrectly if you want. Don't really care as long as you aren't on my team, which you won't be because your elo is too low.


you do realize shuriko is in like 900 elo hell right? stop arguing :O

back to topic

you cannot simply call mia
1) push the lane put pressure on mid so mid cannot roam
2) kill the turret if enemy ignores the pressue
3) follow enemy mid and have a skirmish
4) go invade jungle and still buffs
5) go gank top

you do not simply stay in lane and last hit like a moron :<
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#37ShurikoPosted 11/30/2012 8:15:09 PM
From: iddZk33p | #035
Shuriko posted...
From: EltoniaX | #026
1. Whether bot has wards or not is kind of irrelevant if the intent is to tower dive. If the bot lane does have wards and leaves lane fearing a tower dive then they have given up a lot, so the gank was successful.


HAHHAHAH

WHAT AM I READING

IT'S LIKE YOU JUST HIT SUMMONER LEVEL 30 AND ARE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF GAME MECHANICS


so you're saying if mid gets bottom lane to leave tower, it's not a loss for the bottom lane that had to leave? are uncontested dragons not worth anything?


When the f*** was the last time you played bot where you had no sustain to speak of?
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#38DoctorEggmanPosted 11/30/2012 8:17:25 PM
Shuriko posted...
From: iddZk33p | #035
Shuriko posted...
From: EltoniaX | #026
1. Whether bot has wards or not is kind of irrelevant if the intent is to tower dive. If the bot lane does have wards and leaves lane fearing a tower dive then they have given up a lot, so the gank was successful.


HAHHAHAH

WHAT AM I READING

IT'S LIKE YOU JUST HIT SUMMONER LEVEL 30 AND ARE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF GAME MECHANICS


so you're saying if mid gets bottom lane to leave tower, it's not a loss for the bottom lane that had to leave? are uncontested dragons not worth anything?


When the f*** was the last time you played bot where you had no sustain to speak of?


Have you ever laned with Janna, Lulu, Leona, or Zyra? They don't actually have sustain. I know this comes as a shock.
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#39ShurikoPosted 11/30/2012 8:19:14 PM
From: DoctorEggman | #038
Shuriko posted...
From: iddZk33p | #035
Shuriko posted...
From: EltoniaX | #026
1. Whether bot has wards or not is kind of irrelevant if the intent is to tower dive. If the bot lane does have wards and leaves lane fearing a tower dive then they have given up a lot, so the gank was successful.


HAHHAHAH

WHAT AM I READING

IT'S LIKE YOU JUST HIT SUMMONER LEVEL 30 AND ARE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF GAME MECHANICS


so you're saying if mid gets bottom lane to leave tower, it's not a loss for the bottom lane that had to leave? are uncontested dragons not worth anything?


When the f*** was the last time you played bot where you had no sustain to speak of?


Have you ever laned with Janna, Lulu, Leona, or Zyra? They don't actually have sustain. I know this comes as a shock.


In the magical world where bot is never allowed to recall without the enemy bot pushing?

If you're just letting the enemy outsustain you with the aggressive supports you just listed you're doing it wrong
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#40iddZk33pPosted 11/30/2012 8:20:21 PM
Shuriko posted...
From: iddZk33p | #035
Shuriko posted...
From: EltoniaX | #026
1. Whether bot has wards or not is kind of irrelevant if the intent is to tower dive. If the bot lane does have wards and leaves lane fearing a tower dive then they have given up a lot, so the gank was successful.


HAHHAHAH

WHAT AM I READING

IT'S LIKE YOU JUST HIT SUMMONER LEVEL 30 AND ARE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF GAME MECHANICS


so you're saying if mid gets bottom lane to leave tower, it's not a loss for the bottom lane that had to leave? are uncontested dragons not worth anything?


When the f*** was the last time you played bot where you had no sustain to speak of?


MF/Zyra
MF/Blitz
MF/Lulu
Trist/Zyra
Trist/Blitz
Trist/Lulu
Ezreal/Zyra
Ezreal/Blitz
Ezreal/Lulu

etc.
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