Is it the middlers responsibility to prevent the other one from roaming?

#41ShurikoPosted 11/30/2012 7:21:39 PM
From: iddZk33p | #040
Shuriko posted...
From: iddZk33p | #035
Shuriko posted...
From: EltoniaX | #026
1. Whether bot has wards or not is kind of irrelevant if the intent is to tower dive. If the bot lane does have wards and leaves lane fearing a tower dive then they have given up a lot, so the gank was successful.


HAHHAHAH

WHAT AM I READING

IT'S LIKE YOU JUST HIT SUMMONER LEVEL 30 AND ARE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF GAME MECHANICS


so you're saying if mid gets bottom lane to leave tower, it's not a loss for the bottom lane that had to leave? are uncontested dragons not worth anything?


When the f*** was the last time you played bot where you had no sustain to speak of?


MF/Zyra
MF/Blitz
MF/Lulu
Trist/Zyra
Trist/Blitz
Trist/Lulu
Ezreal/Zyra
Ezreal/Blitz
Ezreal/Lulu

etc.


sigh

you just named a giant bunch of aggressive comps which are supposed to drive the enemy out of lane

why do you think people choose those supports over those with higher sustain?
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#42iddZk33pPosted 11/30/2012 7:22:29 PM
You asked for bot lanes that had no sustain
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#43ShurikoPosted 11/30/2012 7:23:55 PM(edited)
From: iddZk33p | #042
You asked for bot lanes that had no sustain


They make up for that lack of sustain by driving the enemy out of lane before their health gets low

that's why you pick them over soraka

derp


Anyways, during my 19 years I've realized that trying to make an argument 1v5 is pointless no matter how sound your logic is, so I'm done trying to defend myself. Making a valid argument won't do anything.
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#44BerserkFGriffthPosted 11/30/2012 7:25:36 PM
Mid can't follow the other mid unless he knows where he went. Warding their wraiths/river can tell you where they're going, and then you can choose to follow or just warn bot, it's up to you.

You can't just guess which lane your enemy mid is going though.

Basically, call MIA and if you KNOW where the enemy mid is going, follow, otherwise farm and get an advantage and hope your bot/top lane isn't stupid enough to get ganked.

Roaming is very risky, you get a huge advantage over the enemy mid if they don't get a kill off their roaming.
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#45ShurikoPosted 11/30/2012 7:27:12 PM
From: BerserkFGriffth | #044
Mid can't follow the other mid unless he knows where he went. Warding their wraiths/river can tell you where they're going, and then you can choose to follow or just warn bot, it's up to you.

You can't just guess which lane your enemy mid is going though.

Basically, call MIA and if you KNOW where the enemy mid is going, follow, otherwise farm and get an advantage and hope your bot/top lane isn't stupid enough to get ganked.

Roaming is very risky, you get a huge advantage over the enemy mid if they don't get a kill off their roaming.


this is also dependent on your mid's mobility vs. the enemy mid's mobility (e.g., an anivia can't keep up with ahri roam)
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#46iddZk33pPosted 11/30/2012 7:27:16 PM
Shuriko posted...
From: iddZk33p | #042
You asked for bot lanes that had no sustain


They make up for that lack of sustain by driving the enemy out of lane before their health gets low

that's why you pick them over soraka

derp


Anyways, during my 19 years I've realized that trying to make an argument 1v5 is pointless no matter how sound your logic is, so I'm done trying to defend myself. Making a valid argument won't do anything.


Your argument goes in circles though.

You can't drive out the enemy lane if the enemy mid comes to gank you, but you're arguing something about having to sustain through it/push them out before that?
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#47ShurikoPosted 11/30/2012 7:29:20 PM
From: iddZk33p | #046
You can't drive out the enemy lane if the enemy mid comes to gank you, but you're arguing something about having to sustain through it/push them out before that?


No

If the enemy mid camps you all game, you're obviously going to lose lane unless your jungler reacts

However this should hopefully pay off with your own mid getting fed as long as you ward up properly to not die repeatedly to their mid

And you shouldn't be trading with the enemy bot if you know their mid is coming, so you don't get low.
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#48dennis941012Posted 11/30/2012 7:30:34 PM
Shuriko posted...
From: iddZk33p | #046
You can't drive out the enemy lane if the enemy mid comes to gank you, but you're arguing something about having to sustain through it/push them out before that?


No

If the enemy mid camps you all game, you're obviously going to lose lane unless your jungler reacts

However this should hopefully pay off with your own mid getting fed as long as you ward up properly to not die repeatedly to their mid

And you shouldn't be trading with the enemy bot if you know their mid is coming, so you don't get low.


globalcooling will still win troll of the year :O stop being desperate
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#49DoctorEggmanPosted 11/30/2012 7:36:09 PM
Shuriko posted...
In the magical world where bot is never allowed to recall without the enemy bot pushing?

If you're just letting the enemy outsustain you with the aggressive supports you just listed you're doing it wrong


So you're supposed to recall when the enemy mid laner comes bot?

While they're diving you? Or they take your tower?

I'm just curious, when are you supposed to recall. Are you psychic?

tl:dr lolshuriko
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#50beedtrackerPosted 11/30/2012 7:36:52 PM
If you guys follow all day then you are gonna get baited all day, take your 15 cs like a chump then go top to get a kill while enemy mid goes bot to beat off in a bush that is warded, if bot can't handle 3 ppl blatantly ganking them after you call mia and yellow ping out the wahzoo, then i'm sure they won't be of any use later on in the match.
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