everyone stfu the cleaver and Brutalizer nerfs are all deserved

#21themagicpainmanPosted 12/9/2012 4:46:16 PM
Does someone have the post Morello made about that? I need a good laugh.
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#22refmonPosted 12/9/2012 5:01:20 PM
uh what nerfs?
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#23Frosted_MidnaPosted 12/9/2012 5:06:23 PM
themagicpainman posted...
Does someone have the post Morello made about that? I need a good laugh.


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#24CrumpledPaperPosted 12/9/2012 5:06:52 PM
People are complaining? I've only seen people talking about how much they're enjoying it before its inevitably nerfed, maybe I don't lurk enough :c
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#25orcus_snakePosted 12/9/2012 7:03:49 PM
Voidgolem posted...
From: angelwkw3 | #019
Negatron lost 3 MR, and Null Mantle lost 4 MR. Haunting Guise and Sorc Shoes lost 5 pen. Magic Pen was nerfed more. The end.


The cost of Negatron went up by 100 gold in addition to losing MR.

Additionally build options for both these items have lost some of their power since S2.


Negatron costs 70 more gold, that's like 3 creeps, not too much as for the loss of MR...it is hardly noticeable and the build options went up since now you can build visage out of it, it only lost FoN so it evens out.
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#26Guardian of HyrulePosted 12/14/2012 1:12:24 AM
I think they're going about this wrong. Nerfing the flat armor pen isn't the right move. Especially on the Brutalizer. The Brutalizer was fine.

First off, since "Stacking" is the problem, make the entire damn thing Unique. I don't see the real issue here. Making any part of it not unique is just asking for people to stack them.

Second, the Passive itself is the biggest problem, not the armor pen. That 30% armor reduction is basically a Last Whisper built into the item for a lot of champs. With Talon, Renekton, or Riven, for example, I can dish out 4 hits for the full reduction in just over a second or so for full reduction. And this is REDUCTION, not penetration, so the entire team can benefit from this. Right there, the Black Cleaver almost obseletes the Last Whisper if the champ can apply it's full stacks fast enough.

So it's basically a Last Whisper that grants it's effects to teammates (Their armor is reduced for EVERYONE, not just the cleaver-weilder), with +250 HP, +15 Armor Pen, and +10% Cooldown Reduction. THAT is the main problem. That huge passive turns it from a "Good" item, into a no-brainer for a lot of champs.


If they wanted to fix it, IMO...first off, like I said, make it completely unique. Second, you can keep the passive...but make it take more stacks. Maybe have it put 3.75% reduction per stack, up to 30%. That means that you would actually have to focus the target and apply 8 stacks to get the full debuff...and THEN keep attacking to keep the stacks refreshed.

That way it wouldn't allow bursty or multi-hit champs to get what basically amounts to a Last Whisper with tons of other bonuses...
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#27BlackHole001Posted 12/14/2012 1:15:40 AM
JaggiJumper posted...
Remember pre-patch? Brutalizer was always a "good" item, but only worth the buy for early domination, because its upgrade sucked on most champs who liked it, so you'd lose gold selling it late game.

When it got an upgrade, it should've been nerfed. Now there was no flaw in buying it, which is a direct buff.

Now as to stacking them, it makes you too tanky, and gives you all the stats you want.

Stop whining the nerfs are 100% deserved.


whine moar for nerfs badd
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#28SirDanieIPosted 12/14/2012 1:19:07 AM
BlackHole001 posted...
JaggiJumper posted...
Remember pre-patch? Brutalizer was always a "good" item, but only worth the buy for early domination, because its upgrade sucked on most champs who liked it, so you'd lose gold selling it late game.

When it got an upgrade, it should've been nerfed. Now there was no flaw in buying it, which is a direct buff.

Now as to stacking them, it makes you too tanky, and gives you all the stats you want.

Stop whining the nerfs are 100% deserved.


whine moar for nerfs badd


Bet you would call the high elo players bad as well since they're also stacking BC's
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