Cleaver probably still needs to be nerfed

#11TekutsoPosted 12/23/2012 2:39:55 AM
I thought everybody thought this way.

Then i saw the pbe notes and Lol'd.

It will be nerfed. Season 3 is all about diversity in your builds right guyz? Cepts every top in the game just rushes black cleaver gg.
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#12happyscrub1Posted 12/23/2012 2:52:11 AM
Susan0 posted...
Darius with BC, LW= Secret OP?


Darius is one of the bruisers that get the least benefit from armor pen. A lot of his damage is magical damage from his passive and his ult is true damage.
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#13JaggiJumperPosted 12/23/2012 2:53:50 AM
happyscrub1 posted...
Susan0 posted...
Darius with BC, LW= Secret OP?


Darius is one of the bruisers that get the least benefit from armor pen. A lot of his damage is magical damage from his passive and his ult is true damage.


No... he gets benefit especially as it stacks with his E passive. His ult and passive aren't all of his damage.
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#14g-cube_masta(Topic Creator)Posted 12/23/2012 3:59:00 AM
this is how I would nerf it:


4% shred, 5 stacks cap total 20% shred.

3200 gold cost.


And maybe if that's not enough change it so that only single target abilities can apply a stack. Maybe.
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#15SorrySleepingPosted 12/23/2012 4:14:08 AM
From: JaggiJumper | #013
happyscrub1 posted...
Susan0 posted...
Darius with BC, LW= Secret OP?


Darius is one of the bruisers that get the least benefit from armor pen. A lot of his damage is magical damage from his passive and his ult is true damage.


No... he gets benefit especially as it stacks with his E passive. His ult and passive aren't all of his damage.


With Black Cleaver + E, he basically dunks tanks so hard it isn't even funny. 4k HP, 400 Armor, 150 MRes? DUNKED!
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#16Reaper_MinionPosted 12/23/2012 4:16:42 AM
From: g-cube_masta | Posted: 12/23/2012 1:59:00 PM | #014
this is how I would nerf it:


4% shred, 5 stacks cap total 20% shred.

3200 gold cost.


And maybe if that's not enough change it so that only single target abilities can apply a stack. Maybe.

Might as well remove the item.
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#17g-cube_masta(Topic Creator)Posted 12/23/2012 4:18:17 AM
From: Reaper_Minion | #016
From: g-cube_masta | Posted: 12/23/2012 1:59:00 PM | #014
this is how I would nerf it:


4% shred, 5 stacks cap total 20% shred.

3200 gold cost.


And maybe if that's not enough change it so that only single target abilities can apply a stack. Maybe.

Might as well remove the item.

lol if you think that
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#18professor xPosted 12/23/2012 4:30:28 AM
I don't mind the cleaver on AD caster themselves, its that the debuff apply to all opponents which basically give a huge damage increase to your ADC. Its bad enough that ADC is only thing that matters past mid game, now its even more of the support babysit ADC, everybody else dives the enemy ADC, which team ADC dies first loses.

Either change the debuff so it only affect the person applying it (different version of LS), or make it so only autos and single target ability apply one stack with 1 sec cooldown. Basically champs like Talon can't just ult and suddenly your entire team lose 30% armor l0l.
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#19Reaper_MinionPosted 12/23/2012 4:35:56 AM
From: g-cube_masta | Posted: 12/23/2012 2:18:17 PM | #017
From: Reaper_Minion | #016
From: g-cube_masta | Posted: 12/23/2012 1:59:00 PM | #014
this is how I would nerf it:


4% shred, 5 stacks cap total 20% shred.

3200 gold cost.


And maybe if that's not enough change it so that only single target abilities can apply a stack. Maybe.

Might as well remove the item.

lol if you think that

Very substantial nerf and the numbers aren't even that high to begin with. Also, limiting it to single target abilities might seem like a good nerf, but it's gonna effect way too many abilities.
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#20PornHandRAWRPosted 12/23/2012 4:37:07 AM
Something will always seem stronger then others. I'll admit Khaz is a rough mid to lane against but they usually win based off countering or the other mid faulting and giving him the advantage. I think AD in general needs a nerf, or buff AP so we can actually see a damn caster mid again!
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