These jungle changes are pretty rough for AoE junglers

#1cod4lyfe1997Posted 1/16/2013 3:53:27 PM
Just did a test on Mundo and he barely makes it past the double golems after red. I am probably going to switch to someone else, Amumu is banned often how much did it hurt Hecarim? Don't really want to go back to Nocturne, I guess I could give Zed a try.
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#2SoIldSnlvyPosted 1/16/2013 3:55:17 PM
cod4lyfe1997 posted...
double golems after red.


There's your problem, go back to wolves after killing wraiths as Mundo, assuming you got damage at them.
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#3cod4lyfe1997(Topic Creator)Posted 1/16/2013 4:02:00 PM
:/ I was able to take em fine before but I guess I have to change route then
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#4JaggiJumperPosted 1/16/2013 4:27:48 PM
cod4lyfe1997 posted...
I guess I could give Zed a try.


but Zed IS an AOE jungler...
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#5VoidgolemPosted 1/16/2013 4:29:47 PM
I don't see how basically instant-gibbing the small creeps hurt AoE junglers at all.
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#6JaggiJumperPosted 1/16/2013 4:49:07 PM
Voidgolem posted...
I don't see how basically instant-gibbing the small creeps hurt AoE junglers at all.


Before
Xin->slow clear because he needs to auto every minion multiple times.
Shyv->fast clear as the smalls die as she kills the big.

Now
Xin->decent clear because he has stupid single target damage to kill the big quite quickly, and his E leaves the smalls on 1 auto attack of health.
Shyv->same speed/slightly slower due to the bigs increase in health.

aka: AOE clearers were picked for their clear speed, now,single target junglers are almost as fast, and they generally gank better and/or scale with gold better.

so before, the small creeps died as you killed the big ones. Now, they die far before, so some of your potential is wasted.
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#7Fenrir the WolfPosted 1/16/2013 5:10:21 PM
SoIldSnlvy posted...
cod4lyfe1997 posted...
double golems after red.


There's your problem, go back to wolves after killing wraiths as Mundo, assuming you got damage at them.

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#8FlameLord23Posted 1/16/2013 5:16:04 PM
SoIldSnlvy posted...
cod4lyfe1997 posted...
double golems after red.


There's your problem, go back to wolves after killing wraiths as any jungler, always.


Fixed
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#9VoidgolemPosted 1/16/2013 7:24:25 PM
From: JaggiJumper | #006
Voidgolem posted...
I don't see how basically instant-gibbing the small creeps hurt AoE junglers at all.


Before
Xin->slow clear because he needs to auto every minion multiple times.
Shyv->fast clear as the smalls die as she kills the big.

Now
Xin->decent clear because he has stupid single target damage to kill the big quite quickly, and his E leaves the smalls on 1 auto attack of health.
Shyv->same speed/slightly slower due to the bigs increase in health.

aka: AOE clearers were picked for their clear speed, now,single target junglers are almost as fast, and they generally gank better and/or scale with gold better.

so before, the small creeps died as you killed the big ones. Now, they die far before, so some of your potential is wasted.


On the other hand, you're no longer taking damage from those small creeps and the big creep doesn't take that much longer to bring down.
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#10kirbyakaZPosted 1/16/2013 7:37:09 PM(edited)
FlameLord23 posted...
SoIldSnlvy posted...
cod4lyfe1997 posted...
double golems after red.


There's your problem, go back to wolves after killing wraiths as any jungler, always, except for Fiddlesticks.


Fixed


Fixed.
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