Can we discuss own3d and how they are treating many LoL streamers?

#21EDumeyPosted 1/19/2013 12:11:01 PM
CheeseItBaggins posted...
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The guy has a house, a kid to feed and all kinds of stuff.


I have no patience for that kind of argument. If you have so many responsibilities, perhaps it's time to stop playing videogames and get a ****ing job. A real job.


This type of criticism was absolutely rampant when Destiny started streaming SC2 full time and quit his job as a carpet cleaner. But the truth of the situation was that he was getting paid far more, and more reliably when he was streaming SC on Twitch, so he was able to work from home so he could easily take care of his kid ams responsibilities while doing a job he loved. A damn dream, right?

Then Destiny, who was at the time the most popular streamer, got a better contract deal from Own3d, and took it, neutering his viewer ship because many people just switched to another Twitch streamer rather than look for him elsewhere. Also because people who had paid to subscribe felt cheapened that they were being asked to pay more to support him on a different site, though many did. Viewership further neutered when Destiny "calmed down" his extremist views and show, therefore taking a bit of his entertainment away, and then once again when he quit SC2 for LoL.

Destiny has taken way too many financial hits in the industry, so Own3d is basically forcing him to go back to Twitch to try and recoup, where he he can find that reliable, well paying job, that also allows him to be a father even when working .
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#22CheeseItBagginsPosted 1/19/2013 12:11:36 PM
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CheeseItBaggins posted...


So he has kids, a house and whatnot, and decides to quit his job to play videogames professionally? I call that selfish and irresponsible. This is what happens. He had no security, no safety net, no nothing. .


Ummm... This is American: the land of dreams. What you described is like the situation of atleast 80% of every self-made, self-employed person.


And it's working out so well, isn't it?

But maybe I'm on the wrong board to look for any form of responsibility. I wouldn't trust 90% of you with my hamster, let alone expect you to have any form of planning, responsibility or ambition.
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#23Karmic Dragon2003(Topic Creator)Posted 1/19/2013 12:11:51 PM
CheeseItBaggins posted...
Karmic Dragon2003 posted...
CheeseItBaggins posted...
Karmic Dragon2003 posted...
The guy has a house, a kid to feed and all kinds of stuff.


I have no patience for that kind of argument. If you have so many responsibilities, perhaps it's time to stop playing videogames and get a ****ing job. A real job.


What kind of logic is that? He quit his job to play and stream games back in 2010. He makes more money streaming than he's ever made at any job before.

I don't know about you, but if my employer randomly decided to not pay me for 6 months I would be in trouble.


So he has kids, a house and whatnot, and decides to quit his job to play videogames professionally? I call that selfish and irresponsible. This is what happens. He had no security, no safety net, no nothing.

My employer would never just not pay me, because I have a good contract at a serious company. Something I earned by working hard and not focusing on videogames too much.


Streaming was more secure than the job he was currently working. Should he turn down earning more money because people are as close-minded as you? That seems like it would be more selfish and irresponsible. Streaming worked really well for him for nearly two years. He was irresponsible enough to save up enough money to pull through the whole not-getting-paid-for-6-months thing. He was also irresponsible enough to fly his child and the child's mother out to Poland when he was at Ministry of Win.

You keep thinking streaming and making videos is some silly thing, but there's plenty of people who make a living off of it. It's time to get with the times man.
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#24Luster_SlyPosted 1/19/2013 12:12:46 PM
Destiny gets way too many views for streaming LoL. He's not very good and gets carried by his 2.5k elo guests. At least when he played SC he was funny.

Also,
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#25happyscrub1Posted 1/19/2013 12:14:57 PM(edited)
CheeseItBaggins posted...
happyscrub1 posted...
CheeseItBaggins posted...


So he has kids, a house and whatnot, and decides to quit his job to play videogames professionally? I call that selfish and irresponsible. This is what happens. He had no security, no safety net, no nothing. .


Ummm... This is American: the land of dreams. What you described is like the situation of atleast 80% of every self-made, self-employed person.


And it's working out so well, isn't it?

But maybe I'm on the wrong board to look for any form of responsibility. I wouldn't trust 90% of you with my hamster, let alone expect you to have any form of planning, responsibility or ambition.


I say it's working out well. Don't small buisness make up most of our countries employment?

Edit: Country's employment

You must be a socialist liberal.
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#26SoIldSnlvyPosted 1/19/2013 12:13:36 PM
CheeseItBaggins posted...
Karmic Dragon2003 posted...
CheeseItBaggins posted...
Karmic Dragon2003 posted...
The guy has a house, a kid to feed and all kinds of stuff.


I have no patience for that kind of argument. If you have so many responsibilities, perhaps it's time to stop playing videogames and get a ****ing job. A real job.


What kind of logic is that? He quit his job to play and stream games back in 2010. He makes more money streaming than he's ever made at any job before.

I don't know about you, but if my employer randomly decided to not pay me for 6 months I would be in trouble.


So he has kids, a house and whatnot, and decides to quit his job to play videogames professionally? I call that selfish and irresponsible. This is what happens. He had no security, no safety net, no nothing.

My employer would never just not pay me, because I have a good contract at a serious company. Something I earned by working hard and not focusing on videogames too much.


Except it's a profession that's just as well paid through stream revenue and team sponsorship and is fairly sustainable. He would obviously enjoy it more than an office job. I don't see how it's irresponsible when it's a secure income (so long as the stream hosts are good) on a job that he enjoys.
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#27mantana888Posted 1/19/2013 12:13:38 PM
Cheese sounds really mad.

I bet people made the same argument about computers when they were first being developed that he is now.
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#28happyscrub1Posted 1/19/2013 12:19:36 PM
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Cheese sounds really mad.

I bet people made the same argument about computers when they were first being developed that he is now.


I think he had a dream that he wanted to follow, but chickened out and went the secure, sheep way. And now he's looking back and kicking himself.
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#29DoctorEggmanPosted 1/19/2013 12:24:39 PM
CheeseItBaggins posted...
Karmic Dragon2003 posted...
CheeseItBaggins posted...
Karmic Dragon2003 posted...
The guy has a house, a kid to feed and all kinds of stuff.


I have no patience for that kind of argument. If you have so many responsibilities, perhaps it's time to stop playing videogames and get a ****ing job. A real job.


What kind of logic is that? He quit his job to play and stream games back in 2010. He makes more money streaming than he's ever made at any job before.

I don't know about you, but if my employer randomly decided to not pay me for 6 months I would be in trouble.


So he has kids, a house and whatnot, and decides to quit his job to play videogames professionally? I call that selfish and irresponsible. This is what happens. He had no security, no safety net, no nothing.

My employer would never just not pay me, because I have a good contract at a serious company. Something I earned by working hard and not focusing on videogames too much.


so we blame the guy who is getting screwed over instead of the guy doing the screwing over, that makes a load of sense
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#30CheeseItBagginsPosted 1/19/2013 12:26:16 PM
happyscrub1 posted...
mantana888 posted...
Cheese sounds really mad.

I bet people made the same argument about computers when they were first being developed that he is now.


I think he had a dream that he wanted to follow, but chickened out and went the secure, sheep way. And now he's looking back and kicking himself.


No, I'm actually pretty happy doing what I like. But I do it outside of work, seeing as I too have kids that I am responsible for and care deeply about. I would never take any sort of risk when it comes to their future. Call me whatever, won't change my opinions.
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