Haunting Guise core on most AP champs?

#11POkemon_PoWeR(Topic Creator)Posted 2/3/2013 2:16:25 AM
UnderwaterAir posted...
Well spell pen is much better due to the changes from S2, not to mention it builds into the item that will help counter hp stacking which everyone is doing right now.

That pretty much sums up all the discussion that needs to be done here. o_o
We should debate which glyphs to use now in S3. I'm currently trying out magic penetration marks AND glyphs now on all my AP rune pages. :(


I think flat AP or flat health is better glyphs than MPen
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#12dotsdfePosted 2/3/2013 2:21:25 AM
Liandry's should be core on Malz for sure.
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#13dragonfire55Posted 2/3/2013 2:40:48 AM
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#14ericonzPosted 2/3/2013 3:48:52 AM
I think Haunting Guise is strong in that for 1485g will make you immediately stronger 1v1 than someone who rushes say a Needlessly Large Rod until they complete their Deathcap/whatever. Even champs with 0 MR runes and no MR on level have 30 MR, which is exactly how much you bypass with Sorc's Shoes + Haunting Guise, especially since everybody rushes Warmog's now.

And IF they build MR, there's no harm getting a Void Staff after that since the way Pen works now. In S2 it was an either/or thing, you either built flat MPen or a Void Staff, now you can stack both.
#15JaggiJumperPosted 2/3/2013 4:04:16 AM
FreshSushi posted...
MR. Pen does nothing vs HP.


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#16HostileFirePosted 2/3/2013 4:12:13 AM(edited)
Is Liandry's recommended on Ziggs? I have to get Deathcap+Void Staff after Chalice but should it be an item I buy mid or late game? I played my first full invent game as Ziggs (Deathcap/Sorc. Boots/Zhonya/Void Staff/Athene/Rylai) and wasn't sure if I should have switched Rylai's for something else.

Thinking I might be able to replace the 1-2 Dorans I get and input a Haunting Guise after Chalice.
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#17Black_AssassinPosted 2/3/2013 4:18:33 AM
FreshSushi posted...
aHappySacka posted...
Well spell pen is much better due to the changes from S2, not to mention it builds into the item that will help counter hp stacking which everyone is doing right now.
dat crack. Pen is pretty useful, too bad NOBODY is building MR anymore. Health > MR. Pen does nothing vs HP.

itp base mres and runes don't exist