Teach me how to carry harder!!

#1SeaIntoTheSkyPosted 2/5/2013 12:49:12 PM
Got 100 league points. to do promotion matches

Lost my first promotion match starting as 7/0/1 K/D/A before the 5 man team fights break out.

Won my second promotion match really easy.

Lost my third promotion match starting as 11/1/2 K/D/A before team fights.

My strategy is to crush mid lane and then camp bottom lane to get ADC fed.(Which is where many of my kills come from because I get double kills etc.)

I have to grind back to get promotional series before trying the best of three again. Teach me gamefaqs!! =)

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/26342824#history
#2Reaper_MinionPosted 2/5/2013 12:51:02 PM
From: SeaIntoTheSky | Posted: 2/5/2013 10:49:12 PM | #001
Got 100 league points. to do promotion matches

Lost my first promotion match starting as 7/0/1 K/D/A before the 5 man team fights break out.

Won my second promotion match really easy.

Lost my third promotion match starting as 11/1/2 K/D/A before team fights.

My strategy is to crush mid lane and then camp bottom lane to get ADC fed.(Which is where many of my kills come from because I get double kills etc.)

I have to grind back to get promotional series before trying the best of three again. Teach me gamefaqs!! =)

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/26342824#history

There's your problem.
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#3SeaIntoTheSky(Topic Creator)Posted 2/5/2013 12:53:06 PM(edited)
Reaper_Minion posted...
There's your problem.

They get assists and a free lane to farm compared to enemy ADC. If I should give kills, please explain how I spoon feed them >.<;;
#4xMikhalxPosted 2/5/2013 12:53:16 PM
An ADC has the least influence in the game unless horribly fed/late game.

It's better to cripple their front line (IE counterjungling/stealing buffs from their jungle + camping top).

If you have a tanky frontline then your presumedly fed mid can blow everything up and get to the enemy fed carries.

IE: What's worse? A fed Olaf dashing down and destroying the fed enemy ADC or a fed ADC zoned by an enemy Singed?
#5EDumeyPosted 2/5/2013 12:56:08 PM
Play Fizzle in the Mizzle. Problem solved.
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#6Beech_tibsPosted 2/5/2013 12:57:11 PM
xMikhalx posted...
An ADC has the least influence in the game unless horribly fed/late game.

It's better to cripple their front line (IE counterjungling/stealing buffs from their jungle + camping top).

If you have a tanky frontline then your presumedly fed mid can blow everything up and get to the enemy fed carries.

IE: What's worse? A fed Olaf dashing down and destroying the fed enemy ADC or a fed ADC zoned by an enemy Singed?


this!

its also why you pick a support, so if you are wasting your time being a second support... im just saying... you could be doing a lot better....
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#7SeaIntoTheSky(Topic Creator)Posted 2/5/2013 1:03:38 PM
Beech_tibs posted...
xMikhalx posted...
An ADC has the least influence in the game unless horribly fed/late game.

It's better to cripple their front line (IE counterjungling/stealing buffs from their jungle + camping top).

If you have a tanky frontline then your presumedly fed mid can blow everything up and get to the enemy fed carries.

IE: What's worse? A fed Olaf dashing down and destroying the fed enemy ADC or a fed ADC zoned by an enemy Singed?


this!

its also why you pick a support, so if you are wasting your time being a second support... im just saying... you could be doing a lot better....

Hmm interesting. So you are telling me to shutdown the jungler and top. Good point! In my first promotional my top lane Irelia was winning as 4/0 at the start so I didn't want to camp his lane and in my third promotional my teammate was Singed and holding his own. I saw little benefit in going top in these cases so I camped bottom. But you bring up a good point, should I still have camped top and jungler buffs?
#8Reaper_MinionPosted 2/5/2013 1:03:47 PM
From: SeaIntoTheSky | Posted: 2/5/2013 10:53:06 PM | #003
Reaper_Minion posted...
There's your problem.

They get assists and a free lane to farm compared to enemy ADC. If I should give kills, please explain how I spoon feed them >.<;;

I'm not saying you can always do something about who gets the last hit, but you should try. You do not scale with items as well as ADC's do nor do you have the ability to carry an entire team because you are limited by cooldowns.

Alternatively, forget about bot lane because most ADC players suck and don't know how to teamfight anyway. Focus on helping top and co-ordinating with your jungler to gank and steal buffs.
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#9SeaIntoTheSky(Topic Creator)Posted 2/5/2013 1:05:28 PM
Reaper_Minion posted...
From: SeaIntoTheSky | Posted: 2/5/2013 10:53:06 PM | #003
Reaper_Minion posted...
There's your problem.

They get assists and a free lane to farm compared to enemy ADC. If I should give kills, please explain how I spoon feed them >.<;;

I'm not saying you can always do something about who gets the last hit, but you should try. You do not scale with items as well as ADC's do nor do you have the ability to carry an entire team because you are limited by cooldowns.

Alternatively, forget about bot lane because most ADC players suck and don't know how to teamfight anyway. Focus on helping top and co-ordinating with your jungler to gank and steal buffs.
After I camp top and jungler should I look to end games early before the enemy ADC gets strong?
#10xMikhalxPosted 2/5/2013 1:10:14 PM
Let's think of it this way: If you get fed with your top lane, then it's winning even harder. Assist gold does wonders. After taking out top, your top can roam with you to take objectives like red/blue/dragon (maybe even 2 man Baron with certain setups). 15 minute barons are certainly possible, in fact, it happened against me yesterday and I couldn't do anything about it. (I'm Platinum Division V).

100% guaranteed gold versus maybe trading deaths bot lane (bad idea usually unless you're confident in the people getting the gold). Which one has better potential tradeoff? I mean, don't gank a top lane that would get one of you killed, but if it's winning, make it win more!

As for mid, a mid with blue buff versus a mid without blue buff. Assuming equal skill and without jungle ganks, the one with blue should win.

On top of that, having gold from dragon helps everyone even if they're feeding (and you don't reset their gold count from dying a lot, so they're worth less and less even if they're losing hard).