I think swain is a garbage AP carry.

#11SenraidPosted 2/12/2013 11:31:33 PM
fizz doesn't counter swain
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#12Susan0Posted 2/12/2013 11:34:08 PM
He beats Ahri supposedly
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#13Veggeta XPosted 2/12/2013 11:46:01 PM
Swain, I think, is the most natural tankiest AP caster.
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#14Luster_SlyPosted 2/13/2013 12:01:20 AM
From: Senraid | #011
fizz doesn't counter swain

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his kit is made to counter swain. E dodges Nevermore and laserbird, QW nullify his ult. Swain is slow and easy to hit with Fizz's ult because of his short range.
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#15shadeauxPosted 2/13/2013 12:03:30 AM
Whats wrong with a super tanky, self-healing and mana gaining birdmanbearpig?

RoA->Deathcap->Rylais + boots somewhere in there. Get a Zhonyas or SV before Rylais if you feel like you need some extra Armor/MR. Finish with a Liandry's. Proceed to AoE snare the enemy team and instagib the other AP mid or ADC, all while taking focus fire from the entire enemy team and not caring.
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#16xRustySpoonPosted 2/13/2013 12:11:53 AM(edited)
From: Luster_Sly | #014
From: Senraid | #011
fizz doesn't counter swain

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uh
what

his kit is made to counter swain. E dodges Nevermore and laserbird, QW nullify his ult. Swain is slow and easy to hit with Fizz's ult because of his short range.


So why did you not mention Swain's E? It's like, the most important factor in this entire matchup. And everyone always seems to ignore the fact that Fizz is melee.

You're pretty much wrong. Swain > Fizz in this scenario. I'm not saying Fizz can't beat him because it's very possible, but I'll take Swain vs. Fizz any day.
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#17Awesome_BastardPosted 2/13/2013 12:12:34 AM
seagull + wayne =
swain
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#18Supah_AxelPosted 2/13/2013 12:20:17 AM
Susan0 posted...
He beats Ahri supposedly


She can't get through his sustain and if she gets snared, she's pretty much dead.
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#19AC_DragonfirePosted 2/13/2013 12:42:29 AM
When I first tried him out I couldn't do well with him at all. Months later I learned a lot more on mechanics. Bought him a couple weeks ago. I wrecked pretty hard. You gotta realize how to pull off combo's as an AP mid. It's seriously what it's all about. How you chain together moves, position, timing.
#20DemetricusPosted 2/13/2013 3:45:29 AM
The only time I have had a bad game as Swain was one where I was camped by there jungler a lot of the time. So much so that both of the other lanes were well ahead because our jungler was ganking each of them.

I finished with 9/6/17 that game and we won in just under half and hour. It helped that our jungler was a friend so we could plan to get the others pushed and I just delay as much as possible. Swain is awesome.
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