The ashe guide on gamefaqs

#31GujinKamiPosted 2/21/2013 12:41:17 AM
From: PrintScreenKey | #056
You should be playing kog aggressive

kog

aggressive

What elo is this?
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#32SoulknightX0Posted 2/21/2013 1:51:46 AM
GujinKami posted...
From: PrintScreenKey | #056
You should be playing kog aggressive

kog

aggressive

What elo is this?


I think he means in the downtime that you can't nab cs you harass w/ bio arcane aas or the occasional ult shot. Like he definitely did not mean you're draven tier aggressive but at least you're not being a passive pushover.
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#33GujinKamiPosted 2/21/2013 1:58:37 AM
From: SoulknightX0 | #152
I think he means in the downtime that you can't nab cs you harass w/ bio arcane aas or the occasional ult shot. Like he definitely did not mean you're draven tier aggressive but at least you're not being a passive pushover.

You can apply that to any bot laning champion ever though. Kog'maw is a team-dependent champion, and has the goal of getting farmed for the unstoppable late game force he is. If he can make the early laning phase work out for him, that's good more power to him.

However, to outright say that Kog'maw has positive matchups in lane, which the only other ADC he can outplay if both players were on the same skill level is Twitch, is wrong. The second he presses W and goes to harass Ashe with autoattacks, he's gonna eat her W, which is a lot more spam-able than his own range buff. Pair that with no escapes and an extremely shoddy slow that can't really be utilized to defend himself, and he has a fairly bad early game compared to most other ADCs.
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#34PrintScreenKey(Topic Creator)Posted 2/21/2013 2:30:21 AM
GujinKami posted...
From: SoulknightX0 | #152
I think he means in the downtime that you can't nab cs you harass w/ bio arcane aas or the occasional ult shot. Like he definitely did not mean you're draven tier aggressive but at least you're not being a passive pushover.

You can apply that to any bot laning champion ever though. Kog'maw is a team-dependent champion, and has the goal of getting farmed for the unstoppable late game force he is. If he can make the early laning phase work out for him, that's good more power to him.

However, to outright say that Kog'maw has positive matchups in lane, which the only other ADC he can outplay if both players were on the same skill level is Twitch, is wrong. The second he presses W and goes to harass Ashe with autoattacks, he's gonna eat her W, which is a lot more spam-able than his own range buff. Pair that with no escapes and an extremely shoddy slow that can't really be utilized to defend himself, and he has a fairly bad early game compared to most other ADCs.


low elo detected...
#35dennis941012Posted 2/21/2013 2:39:09 AM
From: Morrowind789 | #110
Rabid_Mexican posted...
But if Ashe goes 21/9/0 and full AD rune page she can volley and free critical attack from passive and ignite and then there is first blood advantage.


i love this meme


but did you know person talking about it is in diamond elo @_@
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#36GujinKamiPosted 2/21/2013 2:39:34 AM
From: PrintScreenKey | #154
He's right but I don't know how to retort, so I better childishly insult him xD

lol
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#37g-cube_mastaPosted 2/21/2013 2:40:49 AM
From: PrintScreenKey | #001
-> out range kog? He takes W level 1 and has more range than ashe.


kog's W does not have 100% uptime. On top of that volley has incredible range.

-> out poke? can't outpoke someone who has more range than you and at level 6 has a really high range artillery


Again, kog w is not 100% uptime. Volley is really good poke. Volley is a lot easier to hit and cheaper in the long run mana-wise vs Kog's E/R.

-> he cannot run away? why would kog be running away from ashe when he can beat ashe 1v1 for most levels given equal items?



Kog would be running away because Ashe will have poked him down and then chased him. He won't be fighting her 1v1 in range both at full health.


I don't find anything outrageously wrong with what Aphoristic said tbqh. Ashe does abuse Kog and the lane is more dependent on the supports involved.
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#38dennis941012Posted 2/21/2013 2:44:58 AM
From: PrintScreenKey | #154
GujinKami posted...
From: SoulknightX0 | #152
I think he means in the downtime that you can't nab cs you harass w/ bio arcane aas or the occasional ult shot. Like he definitely did not mean you're draven tier aggressive but at least you're not being a passive pushover.

You can apply that to any bot laning champion ever though. Kog'maw is a team-dependent champion, and has the goal of getting farmed for the unstoppable late game force he is. If he can make the early laning phase work out for him, that's good more power to him.

However, to outright say that Kog'maw has positive matchups in lane, which the only other ADC he can outplay if both players were on the same skill level is Twitch, is wrong. The second he presses W and goes to harass Ashe with autoattacks, he's gonna eat her W, which is a lot more spam-able than his own range buff. Pair that with no escapes and an extremely shoddy slow that can't really be utilized to defend himself, and he has a fairly bad early game compared to most other ADCs.


low elo detected...


just no lol
kog has one of the weakest early game in the game
accept the fact
at least point out what makes kog good lanner
pros and cons etc...
all you said was
"I beat some noobs so I must be right oh and I followed pro guide and I was right herp derp"

also if you want good guide on kogamw use this
http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=39880-midgey-kogmaw-build-guide

"Kog'Maw suffers from a tough laning phase, though it is mostly just a hard Level 1-6"
"Kog'Maw can really get bullied and pushed aroud in lane until he gets some levels into Bio-Arcane Barrage. Strong pushers and constant harass under tower can often shut down a Kog'Maw early, forcing a passive lane and denying Kog'Maw free reign on them."
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#39PrintScreenKey(Topic Creator)Posted 2/21/2013 2:56:14 AM
dennis941012 posted...
From: PrintScreenKey | #154
GujinKami posted...
From: SoulknightX0 | #152
I think he means in the downtime that you can't nab cs you harass w/ bio arcane aas or the occasional ult shot. Like he definitely did not mean you're draven tier aggressive but at least you're not being a passive pushover.

You can apply that to any bot laning champion ever though. Kog'maw is a team-dependent champion, and has the goal of getting farmed for the unstoppable late game force he is. If he can make the early laning phase work out for him, that's good more power to him.

However, to outright say that Kog'maw has positive matchups in lane, which the only other ADC he can outplay if both players were on the same skill level is Twitch, is wrong. The second he presses W and goes to harass Ashe with autoattacks, he's gonna eat her W, which is a lot more spam-able than his own range buff. Pair that with no escapes and an extremely shoddy slow that can't really be utilized to defend himself, and he has a fairly bad early game compared to most other ADCs.


low elo detected...


just no lol
kog has one of the weakest early game in the game
accept the fact
at least point out what makes kog good lanner
pros and cons etc...
all you said was
"I beat some noobs so I must be right oh and I followed pro guide and I was right herp derp"

also if you want good guide on kogamw use this
http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=39880-midgey-kogmaw-build-guide

"Kog'Maw suffers from a tough laning phase, though it is mostly just a hard Level 1-6"
"Kog'Maw can really get bullied and pushed aroud in lane until he gets some levels into Bio-Arcane Barrage. Strong pushers and constant harass under tower can often shut down a Kog'Maw early, forcing a passive lane and denying Kog'Maw free reign on them."



From that same guide it says:

Kog'Maw should be winning every trade and straight up engage during this lane, the most dangerous part of versing an Ashe lane is through jungle ganks since Ashe could keep you CC'd for all eternity but that can be countered by map awareness and wards. This should be an easy laning phase granted you don't get wrecked by their jungler.
#40PrintScreenKey(Topic Creator)Posted 2/21/2013 2:59:26 AM(edited)
Btw you don't need W on all the time to win trades. You need W on when you're trading. NOT 24/7. why do i bother explaining this to gamefaqs players? trolling me so hard

Also ashe has a vastly smaller mana pool, volley uses 60 mana or at least 25% of it early on. It also pushes lane. Again why am i explaining this to gamefaqs players?