So after the last patch, I've come to 2 conclusions;

#11_HeXPosted 3/30/2013 1:23:31 PM
GujinKami posted...
From: CloudandYuffie | #008
Looks like someone never fought against a sejauni she was always like that. since s2.

Her ganks were laughable, her damage was ignorable, and her clear was atrocious, leaving her below half HP upon getting L4. She was a lot worse than she is now.


The only thing that changed between S2 and S3 is the introduction to jungle items, it made her clears faster thus making her early/mid game better, everything else (like her ganks, has always been good).
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#12CloudandYuffiePosted 3/30/2013 1:23:53 PM
GujinKami posted...
From: CloudandYuffie | #008
Looks like someone never fought against a sejauni she was always like that. since s2.

Her ganks were laughable, her damage was ignorable, and her clear was atrocious, leaving her below half HP upon getting L4. She was a lot worse than she is now.


Im talking about the snow ball effect and he ganks were never laughable her damage maybe that that massive slow and stun makes her ganks close to top tier. her clear speeds were bad at level one but after that it was very fast. I know how she was Ive been playing her since s2.
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#13GujinKami(Topic Creator)Posted 3/30/2013 1:25:50 PM
From: Rihawf | #010
yeah 1.5 ratios on one skill sucks buff please too underpowered and mediocre nothing to do with my plat player skill

-650 range on her hard CC forces her to be unsafe
-Poke that's done better by other regular AP mids (i.e. Lux, Xerath, Kass etc)
-Really sub-par shield
-Can be pushed out of lane

She's mediocre.
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#14RihawfPosted 3/30/2013 1:31:50 PM
i mean why would you care for this kind of thing in the range of games you play
she's absolutely normal
she also got a spammable skill, a good dueling tool and a really good tool for pushing and for utility.
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#15Masemune_100Posted 3/30/2013 1:32:49 PM
Honestly I think they reworked Karma to be the same champ again. She's supposed to be support, but she needs items to do it well enough, and if you try to take her mid she lacks lane shoving and the ability to force someone out of lane/
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#16RihawfPosted 3/30/2013 1:36:14 PM
Masemune_100 posted...
Honestly I think they reworked Karma to be the same champ again. She's supposed to be support, but she needs items to do it well enough, and if you try to take her mid she lacks lane shoving and the ability to force someone out of lane/


but now itemization from season 3 towards supports offer some nice AP, I think good enough for karma
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#17xDarknezzxPosted 3/30/2013 1:37:55 PM
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#18GujinKami(Topic Creator)Posted 3/30/2013 1:40:33 PM
From: Rihawf | #056
but now itemization from season 3 towards supports offer some nice AP, I think good enough for karma

Why play support Karma though? You can go support Lux and do the same thing with double the range, or support Thresh who can lock down enemies and still do a decent amount of damage, considering he's in a positive position.

They should do something with Karma to make her more useful, as it stands there are just better choices.
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#19RihawfPosted 3/30/2013 1:52:51 PM
GujinKami posted...
From: Rihawf | #056
but now itemization from season 3 towards supports offer some nice AP, I think good enough for karma

Why play support Karma though? You can go support Lux and do the same thing with double the range, or support Thresh who can lock down enemies and still do a decent amount of damage, considering he's in a positive position.

They should do something with Karma to make her more useful, as it stands there are just better choices.


because karma has a no-way-to-miss snare
has a good slow and spammable slow
doesn't have to deal with mana issues like lux (karma is waaay less mana starved)
karma can push waves, and can deny in a way (shielding minions messing up last hits) + mini shurelya's + shield

lux can't shield minions, can't push in the sense you'd like or is mana safe.
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#20GujinKami(Topic Creator)Posted 3/30/2013 1:57:19 PM
I see what you're getting at.....I just don't see it though.

Maybe in time I'll start to like her, but right now she just feels...bleh.
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