Fizz versus Ryze

#21B01t(Topic Creator)Posted 4/23/2013 3:50:55 PM
mantana888 posted...
Fizz can take on Ryze until he gets his first big item + revolver. After that, Ryze should be able to win.


what does revolver have to do with anything? Fizz will still be able to 1v1 him, and the revolver's spellvamp will be reduced by Fizz's W.
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#22wingman1313Posted 4/23/2013 4:00:03 PM
I've never lost versus a Fizz as Ryze. Be aggressive at lvl1 with 4 mana pots, and play passive until level 5 after Fizz gets his E. The only time you should die is when their jungler gets a good gank on you.
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#23EDumeyPosted 4/23/2013 10:51:03 PM
From: B01t | #009
Fizz is a better ganker and roamer, due to his mobility, ultimate, and burst compared to ryze. Ryze is a decent pusher once he gets some good mana and/or blue buff, but until then, Fizz can probably outpush him.


The only way Fizz outpushes Ryze is if he either uses his E to clear wave or if Ryze is scared enough of Fizz to let him free auto the minions, which assuming an even skill matchup, the Ryze should not be that scared. Ryze is a very good roamer himself. As good as Fizz? Maybe not being that Fizz can gank from ward vision with a well placed shark and multiple mobility moves. But Ryze can certainly counter-gank or gank another lane just as efficiently.

To those who claim ryze can just harass with AAs:

If ryze auto's the fizz, the Fizz will respond with a WQ, then proceed to beating the crap out of you with his trident. At least, early game.and if ryze tries to snare the fizz while he's Q'ing, fizz will just be snared next to ryze


You've played against bad Ryze players. If Ryze gets off the snare during Fizz's Q, you'll be very lucky to get a single auto off as Fizz while Ryze kites backwards. Then you have the choice to either burn your E to all in Ryze (a dangerous idea unless you KNOW you're going to win it) or walk away having taken all that harass.

From: egakcap | #008
All ryze has to do is build bv and its gg.


If Fizz forces you to prioritize a BV before other items, then he's already won the mid game. If he's still fighting you 1v1 late enough in the game for you to have a standard BV time, then his team has lost the game by being unable to transition.

As a ryze main, I never lose to a fizz. Once he dashes in, or whatever he does for an initiate, just snare him and use your ult to spell vamp back up whatever health you lost and kite him back. You will slowly beat him over time.


This is what SHOULD happen in the matchup. But as I said previously, a lot of Ryze players I've found easy to manipulate into burning their ult when not fighting me. At that point, the Ryze has nothing to do but run in full retreat. And Fizz loves a hunt. :P
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#24EDumeyPosted 4/23/2013 10:52:36 PM
From: mantana888 | #020
Fizz can take on Ryze until he gets his first big item + revolver. After that, Ryze should be able to win.


Also please stop building revolver on Ryze. HE gets free spell vamp from his ult and scales much harder with much cheaper more gold efficient items that give him much more useful variety of stats. It's workable, but far from ideal.
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#25BhelliumPosted 4/23/2013 10:56:50 PM
lolcounter.com, i am coming to think, should be burned to the virtual ground

they always try to list some dumb counter even when it's a real stretch, or at least is based on some unstated premises, just so they can fill their standard listings

For example, Kass>Mal

eff no Kass doesn't beat Mal until 6, MAYBE. If Kass could actually farm against Mal's harass.

But I'm bad.
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#26Xander7756Posted 4/24/2013 12:12:28 AM
FlareZero posted...
Xander7756 posted...
Fizz does not take skill.


Can you post your article on Fizz again please?


Sure. Since you asked, here it is - http://www.examiner.com/article/why-fizz-takes-no-skill
#27egakcapPosted 4/24/2013 8:22:20 AM
EDumey posted...
From: mantana888 | #020
Fizz can take on Ryze until he gets his first big item + revolver. After that, Ryze should be able to win.


Also please stop building revolver on Ryze. HE gets free spell vamp from his ult and scales much harder with much cheaper more gold efficient items that give him much more useful variety of stats. It's workable, but far from ideal.


I find revolver to be core on Ryze. While I isn't much of a damage increase (primarily only on his e) it helps a lot during a team fight.
1. It offers extra damage on his ulted e which is more devastating to squishies if they are stacked
2. While he does get spell vamp from his ult, the spammy nature of Ryze finds extra vamp beneficial especially from the completed wota
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#28CovenantPosted 4/24/2013 8:58:38 AM
B01t posted...
If ryze auto's the fizz, the Fizz will respond with a WQ, then proceed to beating the crap out of you with his trident.


He can't WQ at level 1, so he can look forward to getting harassed freely until 2. At level 2, Ryze wins trades on his own and will have minion support for when Fizz double gapcloses on him. Between minion support and kiting, Ryze will win the fight.

Fizz can't fight Ryze until level 6, but Fizz has better things to do at level 6 than kill a Ryze who probably bought magic resist.
#29kourkourPosted 4/24/2013 9:02:36 AM
I play both champions a lot, the lane is decided pre-3 and if the ryze knows what's up he destroys the lane. Everytime fizz comes near for cs in level 1, he gets a Q in the face, when he tries at level to WQ he takes a lot more damage as he is leaving due to the trade from ryze. At level 3 ryze cast a QWEQ and fizz dies.
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#30mantana888Posted 4/24/2013 11:33:52 AM
B01t posted...
mantana888 posted...
Fizz can take on Ryze until he gets his first big item + revolver. After that, Ryze should be able to win.


what does revolver have to do with anything? Fizz will still be able to 1v1 him, and the revolver's spellvamp will be reduced by Fizz's W.


Fizz won't be able to burst him down anymore, and Ryze can easily sustain back enough damage from a trade so that Fizz can't all-in without dying.

And no, from this point on I will never play a game of Ryze without getting extra Spellvamp. Near 50% spellvamp in fights is just too good, along with having incredible sustain.
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