Best MRes item for Ryze

#1WebBowserPosted 8/14/2013 2:53:01 PM
Made a topic on this quite some time ago, and didn't get much answer. So I got off my lazy butt and did some theorycrafting and here is my results.

Short Result: Twin Shadows is usually the best MRes item on Ryze

Long Result: I did a comparison on several mres different items on Ryze and weighted their benefits and drawbacks. Here is what I found in order of expensiveness of the item in question.

1. Negatron Cloak: Many people underestimate the utility of treating Negacloak as a mid game item and not building it into other things. It's cheap, provides a hefty sum of MRes, and you don't have to feel bad about selling it later if you need more damage or other resistances (say, you now have enough HP for the enemy AP to not be scary anymore and want to focus on more damage). That being said, it is not particularly slot efficient, and it does not give any utility or damage.

2. Merc Treads: A decent choice, but very expensive for boots, would prolly rather have mpen boots, and most mages laugh at a mere 25 mres anyway. Tenacity on Ryze is underrated though. Good choice against AP heavy team if you plan on getting more mres later.

3. QSS: Everyone's favorite situational buy. As is common knowledge here on GFAQs, if you're up against a super heavy CC team or if the enemy has one or more suppresses, it's probably worth it. As a bonus, it is one of the more cost efficient options if all you care about it mres, second only to negacloak.

4. Twin Shadows: This is my personal favorite for balanced enemy teams for the following reasons. One, it gives movespeed, and Ryze loves movespeed. Two, it's got a very nice recipe, Kage's + null magic mantle, both great pick-ups after your tear and you never need to save much money for it. Three, it's active makes an incredible initiate that makes up for Ryze's two greatest weaknesses, low range and the need to flash to initiate worth crap. This allows Ryze to initiate without burning flash, which is huge. Lastly, it's pretty cheap at only 1.7K gold, and gives a nice 40 mres. Not quite as much as the QSS, but it's nothing to sneeze at.

5. Locket: Nice if noone else is getting it, but someone else really should be getting this, and the mres it gives is pitiful for it's cost from a selfish perspective.

6. Abyssal: This is the other one I've considered alot. It gives Ryze the most damage by far when compared to the other options, while his AP ratios are not good, 80 AP is nothing to sneeze at and Ryze does like that MRes shred. However, it only gives 45 Mres, that's 5 more MRes then Twin Shadows, and it costs more then half a thousand gold more, that's a chain vest that could be going towards your frozen heart or IBG.

7. Spirit Visage: While Spirit Visage is a great item, I don't think it's good on Ryze for the following reasons. One, it has a ton of CDR, which Ryze already gets plenty of from masteries, Q, and Frozen Heart. Throw in an IBG or blue buff and you have surpassed the cap. The healing passive is only good when your ult is active or you have WotA, which is usually a late game item, and the health regen is kinda meh on Ryze. All you have left after all that is a large chunk of Mres and a bit of HP, but that's a lot of gold (about 1000 more then Twin Shadows) for 55 MRes and some health.

8. Banshee Veil: I don't like it for many of the same reasons I don't like SV. It's expensive (more expensive then SV), does not offer that much more MRes then cheaper alternatives, all it has going for it is it's passive but Ryze is tanky enough to get by without it. Also, there is zero chance of it being up more then once in a teamfight due to how it functions.
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#2aHappySackaPosted 8/14/2013 2:55:46 PM
tl:dr it's spirit visage and/or merc treads.
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#3Sin___Posted 8/14/2013 3:07:34 PM
aHappySacka posted...
tl:dr it's spirit visage and/or merc treads.

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#4WebBowser(Topic Creator)Posted 8/14/2013 4:37:35 PM
aHappySacka posted...
tl:dr it's spirit visage and/or merc treads.


WebBowser posted...

7. Spirit Visage: While Spirit Visage is a great item, I don't think it's good on Ryze for the following reasons. One, it has a ton of CDR, which Ryze already gets plenty of from masteries, Q, and Frozen Heart. Throw in an IBG or blue buff and you have surpassed the cap. The healing passive is only good when your ult is active or you have WotA, which is usually a late game item, and the health regen is kinda meh on Ryze. All you have left after all that is a large chunk of Mres and a bit of HP, but that's a lot of gold (about 1000 more then Twin Shadows) for 55 MRes and some health.


As for merc treads, it's a decent item but is usually not enough alone.
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#5xRustySpoonPosted 8/14/2013 4:40:54 PM
WebBowser posted...
Short Result: Twin Shadows is usually the best MRes item on Ryze


spirit visage is much better.
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#6Soul Reaver4Posted 8/14/2013 4:42:59 PM
WebBowser posted...
aHappySacka posted...
tl:dr it's spirit visage and/or merc treads.


WebBowser posted...
Spirit Visage


Yep
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#7WebBowser(Topic Creator)Posted 8/14/2013 4:50:38 PM
May I ask what's so great about an item where nearly half the CDR does not go to use, the passive is only good late game or for a few seconds at a time, and is nearly 3K gold for 0 damage?
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#8ZidaneTribaIPosted 8/14/2013 4:54:25 PM
WebBowser posted...
May I ask what's so great about an item where nearly half the CDR does not go to use, the passive is only good late game or for a few seconds at a time, and is nearly 3K gold for 0 damage?


...Because you don't have to get Frozen Heart? Masteries, Q and Spirit Visage gives you 40% CDR. You're acting as if you HAVE to get Frozen Heart. You can go ahead and get your Frozen Heart against double AP comps and I'll get my Spirit Visage and instagib the ADC anyway then kill everyone else because I have more MR and extra healing.
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#9WebBowser(Topic Creator)Posted 8/14/2013 4:57:06 PM
ZidaneTribaI posted...
WebBowser posted...
May I ask what's so great about an item where nearly half the CDR does not go to use, the passive is only good late game or for a few seconds at a time, and is nearly 3K gold for 0 damage?


...Because you don't have to get Frozen Heart? Masteries, Q and Spirit Visage gives you 40% CDR. You're acting as if you HAVE to get Frozen Heart. You can go ahead and get your Frozen Heart against double AP comps and I'll get my Spirit Visage and instagib the ADC anyway then kill everyone else because I have more MR and extra healing.


Fair enough, but what about for more balanced teams? SV seems like overkill.
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#10xRustySpoonPosted 8/14/2013 4:57:10 PM
^

Frozen Heart is nice but not required. There are plenty of other good Armor options if you don't need the CDR from FH.
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