I think Lee Sin should be nerfed for the exact same reasons old Riven was.

#1OgremochPosted 7/14/2014 10:24:06 AM
Both are very snowball-y, skill intensive champs that are very rewarding when played with great mechanics and knowledge, and in lane they both require you to get ahead of the enemy laner or fall off into obscurity and even in spite of the harsh nerfs to Riven, we can still easily see that the top players Dominating with Riven still are. And, while I think they hit her a little too hard, I think they are very similar in the story of their dominance.

The problem with old Riven was that you didn't need all that skill to use her. While Best Riven NA, BoxBox, and others could make crazy plays and dominate by mechanically mastering her kit, animation cancelling flawlessly and capitalizing on her snowball and crazy numbers(and they still do), any bronze player could wreck lane by just mashing EWQQQ+Ignite and killing them with her huge numbers. And upon hitting 6, anyone could kill 2 or 3 people at a time with her low-CD, gigantic AD steroid of an ultimate that gave a ranged execute and her buffed her AD scaling shield to be even more large than it already was.

It's the same way with Lee Sin. It allows anyone who bought the champ and played them in easy bots once to just Q them and kill them with his crazy numbers, and snowball the game out of control, which isn't mechanically demanding in the slightest. What's demanding is making clutch initiations by split second reacting to an out of position carry to kick them into the team, NOT Q-AA-R-Q-E-Hydra-AA and 100-0 anyone who didn't build pure tank or clearing both your buffs faster than the enemy jungler and just running to them and Qing them twice. I think they should do the same and make his kit scale better with mechanical skill and not gigantic numbers.
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#2DartkunPosted 7/14/2014 10:28:42 AM
Do you hear them tc?

The Lee Apologists are coming...

Fly you fools!
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#3xDarknezzxPosted 7/14/2014 10:33:07 AM
Ogremoch posted...
skill intensive champs

Ogremoch posted...
Riven


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#4BrokeMyMonitorPosted 7/14/2014 10:35:44 AM
Reduce his base damages and increase his scalings. Done. People complain about his early game damage. Nerf it, and turn his lategame Riven-esque when he builds full damage.

Leave his W alone, that has been destroyed enough.
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#5SpoonyMangosPosted 7/14/2014 10:38:53 AM
xDarknezzx posted...
Ogremoch posted...
skill intensive champs

Ogremoch posted...
Riven


wot

lol if you really don't believe Riven has one of the highest skillcaps.... I don't even know
#6StrategyWikipedPosted 7/14/2014 10:42:26 AM
SpoonyMangos posted...
xDarknezzx posted...
Ogremoch posted...
skill intensive champs

Ogremoch posted...
Riven


wot

lol if you really don't believe Riven has one of the highest skillcaps.... I don't even know
#7KajeIPosted 7/14/2014 10:42:35 AM
StrategyWikiped posted...
SpoonyMangos posted...
xDarknezzx posted...
Ogremoch posted...
skill intensive champs

Ogremoch posted...
Riven


wot

lol if you really don't believe Riven has one of the highest skillcaps.... I don't even know

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#8xDarknezzxPosted 7/14/2014 10:45:03 AM
i wouldnt even put her in my top 10. there are so many champions that take more skill and have a higher skill cap than her. shes just popular because people with adhd pick her and mash buttons randomly to obtain pentakills
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#9supercoolisaacPosted 7/14/2014 10:46:26 AM
xDarknezzx posted...
i wouldnt even put her in my top 10. there are so many champions that take more skill and have a higher skill cap than her.


please name 10
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#10xDarknezzxPosted 7/14/2014 10:50:29 AM
supercoolisaac posted...
xDarknezzx posted...
i wouldnt even put her in my top 10. there are so many champions that take more skill and have a higher skill cap than her.


please name 10


sure

lee
syndra
zed
orianna
shaco
vayne
cass
leblanc
draven
nami

probably anivia too
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