Wow, awesome game! Just going to fix something, though... *spoilers*

#1Nightshade ZeroPosted 5/14/2013 5:27:01 AM
- Shulk blocks Dunban's path and stops him from killing Metal Face.

"Don't do it! Are you really prepared to kill a Homs?"

"Well yeah. I mean sure it's mostly out of revenge, but this guy has been actively trying to kill us forever now, and I also have a duty to protect everyone. To not kill him out of self defense now would be inviting him to keep shedding blood everywhere he goes and potentially take the life of someone else we care about."

"Oh... well, I guess when you put it that way... It does seem kind of stupid to stop you even while he's trying to kill us at this exact moment that we're talking about it."

"It's okay, Shulk, you just weren't thinking rationally."

- Dunban jumps up and slices Metal face in half, killing him in glorious fashion.

"Huh. Not exactly sure why I tried to prevent that from happening..."

"No problem, you're young and have been through a lot. Now let's all just chill on that little tropical island down there for a while."

"Mango drinks are on me!"

There. I feel much better now.
#2MottmanPosted 5/14/2013 5:50:16 AM
Yeah, lots of people hate that scene. It didn't bother me when I was playing through the game, though. It seemed like a natural progression of Shulk's feelings from pure bloodlust to a desire for peace, especially once he found out who Face Nemesis really was. They really only added that scene so Metal Face could die without the party being the ones to kill him.

I will say that the scene you're referencing, along with a few others in the game, do make Dunban come across as a gullible weenie who is far too easily swayed...which is also why I don't share the love of Dunban that most of this board does. He's okay and I don't dislike him, but he's not a natural leader at all and he's too wishy-washy for my taste.

I like the way you've re-written that scene, though. It made me chuckle.
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#3SinfullyvannilaPosted 5/14/2013 7:28:23 AM(edited)
Dunban is not smart enough and acts with too much emphasis on heroics and honor to come up with that kind of rebuttal on the fly.

Shulk is smarter than him and everyone in the party knows it, that's why he fight him for it. Whether or not Shulk is correct at the moment, he is the alpha male in the party, so nobody else chimes in.

It would come off just as badly under scrutiny.
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#4MonadAlvisPosted 5/14/2013 8:23:08 AM
The real truth behind this scene:

We all know Shulk's a smart guy. He makes weapons a lot so he's pretty good at spatial thinking. Shulk was well aware of how Metal Face behaves and had noticed the weak spike above the battlefield. He did not want the man he looked up to to possibly have to feel guilty about killing a former friend, and so lured everyone into the correct positions before the shot was fired.

Shulk purposely let Mumkhar die, but didn't want Dundun to do it. His warnings were only an act as he knew Metal Face was too stubborn and blinded by rage to listen.
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#5TLeHnPosted 5/14/2013 8:55:25 AM
MonadAlvis posted...
The real truth behind this scene:

We all know Shulk's a smart guy. He makes weapons a lot so he's pretty good at spatial thinking. Shulk was well aware of how Metal Face behaves and had noticed the weak spike above the battlefield. He did not want the man he looked up to to possibly have to feel guilty about killing a former friend, and so lured everyone into the correct positions before the shot was fired.

Shulk purposely let Mumkhar die, but didn't want Dundun to do it. His warnings were only an act as he knew Metal Face was too stubborn and blinded by rage to listen.

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#6banjo kazooiePosted 5/14/2013 8:55:33 AM
Honestly, I think the original script likely called for Shulk or Dunban killing Mumkhar, but with that in place, sparing Egil comes across as slightly hypocritical.
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#7evillockePosted 5/14/2013 9:31:24 AM
Y U KILL HOMS Dunban-san?!

Shuruku, this bastard killed my sister.
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#8banjo kazooiePosted 5/14/2013 9:49:44 AM
evillocke posted...
Y U KILL HOMS Danban-san?!

Shuruku, this bastard killed my sister.


Fixed for JP name.
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#9KingofDeceit666Posted 5/14/2013 11:35:49 AM
banjo kazooie posted...
Honestly, I think the original script likely called for Shulk or Dunban killing Mumkhar, but with that in place, sparing Egil comes across as slightly hypocritical.


Eh, I don't know about that. Mumkhar had no saving grace, and was just poison through and through. Egil was, at worst, radically misguided. Shulk even found himself relating to Egil, which would likely be enough reason to spare him all on its own. Mumkhar was quite different, and just wanted to make Dunban, Shulk, and the others suffer as much as possible, if not kill them outright.

Shulk's unwillingness to kill Homs (in Faces) is kind of thrown out the window by all the mass-produced Faces you kill in the game, but that's likely just dismissed by the ol' gameplay=/=plot. lol
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#10kazeginPosted 5/14/2013 11:56:42 AM
KingofDeceit666 posted...
banjo kazooie posted...
Honestly, I think the original script likely called for Shulk or Dunban killing Mumkhar, but with that in place, sparing Egil comes across as slightly hypocritical.


Eh, I don't know about that. Mumkhar had no saving grace, and was just poison through and through. Egil was, at worst, radically misguided. Shulk even found himself relating to Egil, which would likely be enough reason to spare him all on its own. Mumkhar was quite different, and just wanted to make Dunban, Shulk, and the others suffer as much as possible, if not kill them outright.

Shulk's unwillingness to kill Homs (in Faces) is kind of thrown out the window by all the mass-produced Faces you kill in the game, but that's likely just dismissed by the ol' gameplay=/=plot. lol


I get where you're coming from, but, misguided or not, Egil did kill an awful lot of people. He's responsible for the battle of Sword Valley, he's responsible for attacking Colony 6, and if there were other Colonies I'd say he's responsible for their disappearance (I guess). Plus, IIRC, at one point he does something (I think he stabbed the Bionis or something) and asks Shulk how many he thinks died. We can see those people fall to their death. Not to mention the number of Homs he abducted and mutilated. I get that he did what he thought he had to do, but there's no way that guy was going to be spared. As much as I hate Shulk talking Dundun into not killing Mumkhar, doing that and later not offing Egil would have been highly hypocritical to me.

As for the mass-produced Faces, I think it's been said a few times on this board that the party only disabled them (although it means that they probably died when the Mechonis collapsed).
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