is this game canon?

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Neowww
Posted 2/21/2013 4:12:25 PM
It probably isn't because Kojima will probably one day want to move the story forward instead of just exploring Big Boss' past, and this heavy cyborg world doesn't really feel a good setting for a MGS game.
roxas9001
Posted 2/21/2013 4:15:35 PM
mgsmasterofit posted...
The game isnt canon. It uses the setting and background of the previous MGS games but thats it. it is more or less an alternate universe sort of like AC!D was. Kojima himself said the game wasnt canon and just a spinoff. on his twitter he stated its not a MGS game and just uses the setting of 4 years after 4. Keep in mind when people say "this means its not a SOLID game so its still canon" It would be pointless for kojima to state this because anyone that can read the game title will notice that Solid isnt in the title. This is Kojimas way of saying that it isnt canon. Its just a spin off, nothing more.


So Metal Gear 1 isn't canon due to the lack of SOLID?
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sephiroth068
Posted 2/21/2013 4:20:31 PM
mgsmasterofit posted...
The game isnt canon. It uses the setting and background of the previous MGS games but thats it. it is more or less an alternate universe sort of like AC!D was. Kojima himself said the game wasnt canon and just a spinoff. on his twitter he stated its not a MGS game and just uses the setting of 4 years after 4. Keep in mind when people say "this means its not a SOLID game so its still canon" It would be pointless for kojima to state this because anyone that can read the game title will notice that Solid isnt in the title. This is Kojimas way of saying that it isnt canon. Its just a spin off, nothing more.


By that logic, MG and MG2: SS are not canon either...they have been retconned to death but they are still canon as the overall events are still canon
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mgsmasterofit
Posted 2/21/2013 4:24:33 PM
sephiroth068 posted...
mgsmasterofit posted...
The game isnt canon. It uses the setting and background of the previous MGS games but thats it. it is more or less an alternate universe sort of like AC!D was. Kojima himself said the game wasnt canon and just a spinoff. on his twitter he stated its not a MGS game and just uses the setting of 4 years after 4. Keep in mind when people say "this means its not a SOLID game so its still canon" It would be pointless for kojima to state this because anyone that can read the game title will notice that Solid isnt in the title. This is Kojimas way of saying that it isnt canon. Its just a spin off, nothing more.


By that logic, MG and MG2: SS are not canon either...they have been retconned to death but they are still canon as the overall events are still canon
Ok, bad wording on my part. Back then Solid wasnt there. We all know the MG and MGS games are a continuation cause Kojima said so. I mean it strikes me as odd that he would say that for MGR:R especially after saying "they are just using the setting of 4 years after mgs4" It just strikes me as odd because anyone that can read would be able to see Solid wasnt in the title. That clear it up any better? Im not so good at explaining it and i apologize.
Gobstoppers12
Posted 2/21/2013 4:29:22 PM
Considering that Kojima would have preferred to use Gray Fox, or to make it a prequel to MGS4, I don't think the current incarnation is what he wanted to do with the official story. It's a side project with no relevance to the true series. Sunny's appearance toward the end is the only thing other than the mentions of SOP, the Patriots, Metal Gears and Cyborgs that even grounds it in the Metal Gear universe.

Nothing truly major even happens. It's a self-contained story that would've worked just as well using any character other than Raiden. Heck, it could've used Sam as the main character and been just as relevant.
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vital_tundra
Posted 2/21/2013 4:31:49 PM
People are arguing it isn't canon? Trolling or just plain dense?
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mgsmasterofit
Posted 2/21/2013 4:32:11 PM
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Considering that Kojima would have preferred to use Gray Fox, or to make it a prequel to MGS4, I don't think the current incarnation is what he wanted to do with the official story. It's a side project with no relevance to the true series. Sunny's appearance toward the end is the only thing other than the mentions of SOP, the Patriots, Metal Gears and Cyborgs that even grounds it in the Metal Gear universe.

Nothing truly major even happens. It's a self-contained story that would've worked just as well using any character other than Raiden. Heck, it could've used Sam as the main character and been just as relevant.
True, Plus Kojima himself is always HEAVILY part of all the Major parts of the MGS series (or the over arching story) He was with portable ops, peacewalker and he is working heavy on the new ground zeros. He has stated many times he had little to do with this one. Other then occasionally checking in. Now this doesnt exactly mean that its the definitive "Its not canon" but its certainly something to point out
Moegitto
Posted 2/21/2013 4:34:39 PM
vital_tundra posted...
People are arguing it isn't canon? Plain dense.

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obliviondoll
Posted 2/21/2013 4:34:59 PM
Kojima has directly stated that the game is canon, but its setting is outside of the existing storyline to make it easier to work the power of Raiden's character into the story without him being TOO powerful for his enemies.

In some ways, it's a continuation of events that were set in motion in MGS4, but it's a standalone story that works independently of the MGS series. It's a side story from MGS, which is why it's Rising instead of Solid, but it's still Metal Gear. It's the same universe, and it's official. It's just not as much about stealth any more.
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mgsmasterofit
Posted 2/21/2013 4:37:27 PM
obliviondoll posted...
Kojima has directly stated that the game is canon, but its setting is outside of the existing storyline to make it easier to work the power of Raiden's character into the story without him being TOO powerful for his enemies.

In some ways, it's a continuation of events that were set in motion in MGS4, but it's a standalone story that works independently of the MGS series. It's a side story from MGS, which is why it's Rising instead of Solid, but it's still Metal Gear. It's the same universe, and it's official. It's just not as much about stealth any more.
Kojima has stated it uses the universe as a setting and thats it. Its similiar to AC!D How it talks about stuff that happened in the past but doesnt effect the story. Like an alternate universe.
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