rice_noodlesPosted 2/21/2013 6:58:43 PM (edited) | mgsmasterofit posted...rice_noodles posted...
Denial. You mean how you deny Kojipro's word that this game is canon? I deny it cause Kojima (himself) has more or less stated that the game wasnt his idea (or at least didnt go in the direction he wanted) and it doesnt have any actual say on the man overall story arch. When you show me something that Kojima himself says "the game is part of the story (or canon since thats the word you are looking for) then ill believe it. until then there is more in the decision of it not being part of the actual story than it is. Well it's Kojima's name on the project, his team, his green light on the current iteration of the project. So when his team says this game is canon, and Kojima's does not say anything like "hey, my team said this is canon, well they are wrong", I'm going to see it as a much more definitive evidence over some people's random interpretations based on his words on story arcs, names, 4th wall and parody and such. |
KerrackPosted 2/21/2013 6:35:00 PM | obliviondoll posted...Kerrack posted...
It's kinda like the Star Wars Force Unleashed games.
It happened, but will never be mentioned within the main series whatsoever.
So it's... KIND OF canon.
But not really.
Force Unleashed was officially endorsed as being canon though. FU2 was implied to be canon by association, but hasn't been outright acknowledged as such.
I don't think there's an official statement that's 100% clear either way about MGR, although I've heard on a lot of sites that it was officially recognised as part of the universe my Kojima. Not able to find a source on any of the references I've been able to track down since the topic came up again though, so I can't provide a valid source on that claim, in spite of having seen it made many times. That's exactly what I'm saying. It's SORT OF canon, but we can't call it 100% canon at present. An yes, I realize TFU was confirmed as canon, but I use it as an example because at no point outside of TFU will TFU's events ever be mentioned. --- Oh my god, Gainax, Gainax, oh my god, oh my god, Gainax, oh my god. Drill Lance. |
gray_fox_00Posted 2/21/2013 6:50:45 PM | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7BTtiAQuZ0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Yuji Korekada creative producer from Kojima Studios. Sept. 2012.
"First off, metal gear rising isn't metal gear solid. It's a different type of game, but it does take place in the same universe, same storyline, so yes it is connected, is canon, and takes place after metal gear solid 4..."
I haven't seen anyone actually say it's not canon, but here's a guy from Kojima Studios actually saying it is. With words. Not implications or suggestions.
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lokithefoolPosted 2/21/2013 6:59:04 PM | Kerrack posted...It's kinda like the Star Wars Force Unleashed games.
It happened, but will never be mentioned within the main series whatsoever.
So it's... KIND OF canon.
But not really. Thank you that is a perfect analogy. |
rice_noodlesPosted 2/21/2013 7:02:15 PM | gray_fox_00 posted...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7BTtiAQuZ0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Yuji Korekada creative producer from Kojima Studios. Sept. 2012.
"First off, metal gear rising isn't metal gear solid. It's a different type of game, but it does take place in the same universe, same storyline, so yes it is connected, is canon, and takes place after metal gear solid 4..."
I haven't seen anyone actually say it's not canon, but here's a guy from Kojima Studios actually saying it is. With words. Not implications or suggestions. But but but fourth wall breaking and parodies! |
killerdestroyerPosted 2/21/2013 7:18:11 PM (edited) | I'm loving how the guys saying this isn't canon are saying the people who say it is are in denial, yet deny the ACTUAL QUOTES FROM KOJIMA AND HIS TEAM saying it was canon, and the only thing they can use as evidence of it not is an old ass interview where they weren't sure if it was going to be canon or not.
Then go on to say things like "well this series retcons alot, so there's no such thing as canon." Well i'm sorry, but the guy who created the story gets to choose that, not you, not i, not anyone else. Kojima could say the whole series was a dream of a dying elephant is canon, and guess what? It would be because it's his story and what he says goes.
Opinons on how stupid it is or anything of the sort is irrelevant. That doesn't change the fact that it's not your story so you don't get to decide on what happened or not.
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largerockPosted 2/21/2013 7:16:45 PM | It's canon.
Maybe I should make another THIS GAME IS CANON topic....
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solidoutlawPosted 2/21/2013 7:16:46 PM | Some people lack common sense.
Metal Gear Rising is a spinoff of the MGS series. It takes place four years after MGS4 and stars Raiden as the main character. It is not part of the main story of MGS. It is still a canon title. Kojima says it's not a part of the main story because it doesn't affect the events that happen in MGS, but that doesn't mean it's non canon. A great example of spinoffs that are canon can be found in comic books. X-Men is a popular comic, and home to tons of spinoffs. Wolverine, X-Force, Cable, etc etc are all spinoffs of X-Men. They are all canon to the X-Men universe, even if they don't directly affect the main story at times.
And Kojima already stated in the making of the game that the game was canon. Every link posted in this topic so far to say it's non canon only says at best, that it's still a spinoff. Spinoffs don't make a game non-canon. MGS is a spinoff of MG even.
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OrangeWizardPosted 2/21/2013 7:21:43 PM (edited) | It's not like anything after MGS4 matters, including this storyline, now that snake isn't doing stuff anymore.
It's all about big boss now.
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mir040991Posted 2/21/2013 7:35:44 PM | Originally it was supposed to be a prequel to 4, but it wasn't going over so well. However later on Platinum Games came along and set the story after 4 instead and well changed stuff up. Keep in mind from what I heard Kojima say, it was mostly younger employees who have bee on this game from the beginning. It's part of the main story yet it's not. It's the high amount of violence that's getting people asking questions isn't it? |
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