platinium rushed the game, some fact here.

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DaAzureGrimoire
Posted 2/22/2013 10:38:04 PM
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DullahansXMark
Posted 2/22/2013 10:39:54 PM
DJ_0000 posted...
DullahansXMark posted...

you do fight Monsoons double pretty much right after you've beat him Opinion


How is this one an opinion? You fight Monsoon in 1 mission then in the next mission you fight his spare body. The missions are literally right next to each other.


You fight Monsoon at the end of R-03 and his body double near the end of R-04 (I think? It's after the Japanese rock garden, right?), which is probably the longest chapter in the game. Unless you're speedrunning it'll take you a while to get from one to the other. It's subjective. That would've been the better word for it. Some will get there fast. Some won't.

And if we wanna go deeper, we can discuss each person's perception of time...
DaAzureGrimoire
Posted 2/22/2013 10:41:43 PM
Fatboy2020 posted...
I feel like this site needs every game to have a seperate board dedicated to complaints about it.


This isn't nearly as bad at DmC's board.
We're not saying the game is bad, but it has noticeable flaws.
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krono069
Posted 2/22/2013 10:44:34 PM
DJ_0000 posted...
krono069 posted...
platinium rushed the game, some fact[s] here.


xxchosterxx posted...

- you stop unlocking moves to soon (like in the midle of the game) opinion
- boss weapons have too few moves opinion
- after sundowner the chapters are like 10 min long. opinion
-you fight against moonson double like 20 min after beating him. opinion
-game is too short. opinion

feel free to add another ones.

the game is good, but disappointed me a lot, specially the story, im sure rising 2 is gonna kick ass tough.


opinions. Just sayin'


The ones I left in here are not opinions. You do in fact stop unlocking moves half way through the game, boss weapons have barely any moves, the last few levels do get really short, you do fight Monsoons double pretty much right after you've beat him, the game is too short(mainly because the levels get shorter and shorter as you go along).


Here, let me explain the difference between opinion and fact.

Fact: "You do in fact stop unlocking moves half way through the game"
What you said in your first post: "you stop unlocking moves to soon"
That's an opinion. Not a fact.

Fact: "boss weapons have barely any moves"
What you said: "boss weapons have too few moves" <opinion

Fact: "the last few levels do get really short,"
What you said: "the game is too short" <opinion

You need to learn the difference my friend.

I didn't feel the game was too short. I wasn't counting chapters and judging how long they were individually either. So, I felt the length was just fine. But of course, that's just my opinion.
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Banjo2553
Posted 2/22/2013 10:45:06 PM
Yeah, I'll have to say I was not expecting a Monsoon double right after the Mistral double. I was expecting to fight him later. And the last few chapters do go by pretty quickly, but as the guy said above, the problem is they're based on locations, and they wanted to keep with the sense of urgency as well.

Can't really comment on the locations since none of them felt too bland for me. Just really felt like a more action-y MGS4 and I wasn't bothered by that game's locations. I do wish the boss weapons were more than just mere sub-weapons that didn't have much of a moveset (especially the Sai), but I guess they wanted Raiden's blade to be the focal point of the combat.
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DJ_0000
Posted 2/22/2013 10:46:04 PM
DullahansXMark posted...


They get shorter because Raiden himself is rushing. He's moving between places as fast as he can go. While, yes, it does suck the three chapters are so short, making them as long as the first four would've completely killed any sense of urgency. Aka, "how the hell is the president not dead by now?"

The solution would've been to add more chapters, but... well, they kinda are. Sam/LQ-84i DLC ftw.


An even better solution would have been to write a story with better pacing that doesn't get really silly, really fast. I'll be interested to see what the DLC missions add, hopefully they are substantial enough to add some extra meat to the game.

I'll agree to disagree about Monsoon, for me that is too close to be repeating a boss and I usually don't like repeated bosses anyway.
Fatboy2020
Posted 2/22/2013 10:46:09 PM
I dig.
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DaAzureGrimoire
Posted 2/22/2013 10:46:59 PM
Ssj7Crono posted...
TruthsEdge posted...
They only had one years to make it. They picked up the project in December 2011. They said they wished they had more time but Kojima kept them on the tight schedule. They were no hard feels though.


My respect for Platinum Games just when up a little. To make a game like this in a year or so is pretty impressive. Other than the camera angles going all over the place every now and then, this game runs very smoothly. Better than some other games I've played that have been in development for much longer.


Gotta remember that half the work on this game was already done before they nabbed it.
Blade Mode? Konami
Boss designs? Konami
Basic enemies? Konami
Story? Konami (Oddly enough)

All Platinum had to do was make the levels, make sure Blade Mode didn't crash your console, enemy AI, and difficulty changes, among other small things.
Not trying to hate though, but atleast a good half of the game was already done for them.
You also gotta factor in that they had to convert MGSRs assets to their in-house engine too.
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megaultrarice34
Posted 2/22/2013 10:47:26 PM
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DaAzureGrimoire
Posted 2/22/2013 10:50:44 PM
krono069 posted...
DJ_0000 posted...
krono069 posted...
platinium rushed the game, some fact[s] here.


xxchosterxx posted...

- you stop unlocking moves to soon (like in the midle of the game) opinion
- boss weapons have too few moves opinion
- after sundowner the chapters are like 10 min long. opinion
-you fight against moonson double like 20 min after beating him. opinion
-game is too short. opinion

feel free to add another ones.

the game is good, but disappointed me a lot, specially the story, im sure rising 2 is gonna kick ass tough.


opinions. Just sayin'


The ones I left in here are not opinions. You do in fact stop unlocking moves half way through the game, boss weapons have barely any moves, the last few levels do get really short, you do fight Monsoons double pretty much right after you've beat him, the game is too short(mainly because the levels get shorter and shorter as you go along).


Here, let me explain the difference between opinion and fact.

Fact: "You do in fact stop unlocking moves half way through the game"
What you said in your first post: "you stop unlocking moves to soon"
That's an opinion. Not a fact.

Fact: "boss weapons have barely any moves"
What you said: "boss weapons have too few moves" <opinion

Fact: "the last few levels do get really short,"
What you said: "the game is too short" <opinion

You need to learn the difference my friend.

I didn't feel the game was too short. I wasn't counting chapters and judging how long they were individually either. So, I felt the length was just fine. But of course, that's just my opinion.


I feel like you're nitpicking the difference between opinion and fact purely because of sentence structure and dialect. You understood what he meant. Being oddly politically correct just kind of seems weird here.
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