The future of MGS is saddening.

#1AzurexNightmarePosted 5/16/2013 6:33:02 PM
Before I start let me just say that I love every MGS game in the series. 1, 2, 3, 4, peace walker, MGR, all of them.

But seeing the series evolve over time, I don't really like the world post MGS4.

Everyone is a cyborg, which is bad ass in MGR but it makes it impossible for the MGS world to ever be the same again. You will never have events like MGS1, MGS2, MGS3 or 4 happen ever again.

The thought of sneaking up on and tranqulizing a cyborg seems really stupid. Why not just pull out a blade and cut him in 1000 pieces instead?

Not everyone is Raiden or Armstrong level, and im pretty sure Solid Snake could take out those cyborg guards and the fenrirs at least (guy has taken out metal gears, and with the help of Otacon he would find a way) but there's no point in making a traditional MGS that takes place after Rising anymore. Especially not with a human, because he will be slaughtered no matter how good he is.

Basically there will never be another Solid Snake. And a cyborg one would be stupid.
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#2The_Ivory_ManPosted 5/16/2013 6:45:04 PM
EMP bullets or something like that would work, CQC and muscle suits could still be effective.
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#3tehheadPosted 5/16/2013 6:45:39 PM
When there is no future? We make prequels!
When all possible Sequel of prequel diminished? We made remakes
When remakes is done? We made spin off!
When remakes is not profitable anymore, we made remakes again

Seriously, if kojima stays with MG series, he's going down with this
Blame it to publisher (IMO the worst 3 of previous decade developer (capcom , Sq E, & konami)
And blame kojima inability to sacrifice his carreer & team (to go full) to do something else
#4SugarBoogersPosted 5/16/2013 6:46:59 PM
In harder difficulties on MGS, you pretty much lose the instant you get spotted because you have no hope of taking out more than four guards. So long as the guards can be stealth killed, making them tougher isnt going to stop a stealthy guy with a weapon that can take them out.

The only reason Snake couldn't beat the trials of Rising is because it wasn't designed with stealth in mind.
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#5Rising_shadowPosted 5/16/2013 6:52:45 PM
Snake couldn't beat them even with stealth. Cyborgs are above and beyond superhuman and animals like Monsoon destroy even the likes of Raiden.
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#6The_Ivory_ManPosted 5/16/2013 6:54:14 PM
Rising_shadow posted...
Snake couldn't beat them even with stealth. Cyborgs are above and beyond superhuman and animals like Monsoon destroy even the likes of Raiden.


Snake has battled super-humans in the past
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#7Rising_shadowPosted 5/16/2013 7:06:18 PM
None of them anywhere near the level of guys like Monsoon. It's not just about hurting them. They're obscenely strong and agile. Snake is human. His skill as a soldier doesn't involve pure raw power. It involves tactical acumen and experience from fighting similar opponents. A human you can headshot. A cyborg? An assault rifle would be like taking potshots at them.
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#8tehheadPosted 5/16/2013 7:17:23 PM
Rising_shadow posted...
None of them anywhere near the level of guys like Monsoon. It's not just about hurting them. They're obscenely strong and agile. Snake is human. His skill as a soldier doesn't involve pure raw power. It involves tactical acumen and experience from fighting similar opponents. A human you can headshot. A cyborg? An assault rifle would be like taking potshots at them.


Umm, those B&B corps pretty much is a pre-cyborg closest, they are just not as crazy because of design logic & gameplay balance
All MGS has problem with fluid & fast animation, this problem plagues this game since MGS3 (where CQC enters & everything slows down, alot)
And like all armor, there's always a technology to break them apart with 1 attack, HF blade is 1 of the closest on cyborg
What makes it not possible to make an HF bullet tip?

I think by MGR standard, human weaponry is updated to VS cyborg & UG's, its just most human can't catch up to those in physical ability & overall endurance
By standard, someone like snake (considering you're thinking after MGS4 stealth game) can't go toe to toe on cyborgs, not physically
Monsoon like enemy can be handled by EMP grenade, i mean, raiden just chucks it in front of him
Dodge roll has invicibilty frame
And what stops snake to use HF blade/knife to seperate cyborg head?
#9Rising_shadowPosted 5/16/2013 8:03:21 PM
Any given military grade cyborg has better reflexes than Snake has ever had even in his prime. Why do people refuse to accept the fact that snake isn't perfect? As far as human soldiers go, he's the best. Nobody disputes that. But cyborgs aren't human. Even Sam needs an exoskeleton suit to go toe to toe with a cyborg and he's a master swordsman who's trained for decades with a formal style of fighting and killing.

Given enough time and the proper tools to do the job snake might even win against a cyborg or UG. But never in a straight fight and never in a fair fight. Snake will never just beat Monsoon or Mistral, no matter what tool he has. EMP grenades last very little and certainly not enough for Snake to stab a dinky knife in their heads.

Making something with a high frequency property doesn't make it almighty. Armstrong snapped Raiden's blade in half and a sword is far more durable than a knife. Blades wear down and the more scratches and nicks they accrue the less effective they become. Even provided you could miniaturize something like the HF mechanism into a knife you're not giving him some game changer weapon. Generic cyborgs use stuff like HF machetes and they're not that effective either. To deal with cyborgs you need raw power behind your awesome tools. Or failing power, overwhelming skill on a level no opponent can have. Snake isn't a master swordsman or gunman. He's the best soldier there is but he's just the best human soldier now.
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#10co1onelPosted 5/16/2013 8:03:23 PM
This is why Rising is not canon
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