Kratos vs. Raiden

#51furygodsPosted 3/31/2011 1:51:23 PM
I would personally have Zeus give Kratos the beatdown he deserved if I was the writer ;)
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#52EternaLyricis01Posted 3/31/2011 1:51:40 PM
This matchup I assume is GOW3 Kratos VS MK9 Raiden - Kratos exists outside of the MK9 storyline, thus Raiden has no restrictions on his power - combine that with Kratos' ability to kill being reduced significantly in the MK universe because its a universe where death is commonplace and rarely permanent and....

Raiden will kick Kratos' ass
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#53rockman171Posted 3/31/2011 2:01:19 PM

From: furygods | Posted: 3/31/2011 4:51:23 PM | #051
I would personally have Zeus give Kratos the beatdown he deserved if I was the writer ;)


No way man, give that honor to Hermes and Helios.
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#54Dragunov_4_everPosted 3/31/2011 2:03:32 PM
gunslinger20 posted...
what a pointless debate.......Kratos is strong because the WRITER OF THE STORY says he is. I could be the writer of the GoW universe too and have kratos die at the hand of Poseidon (which he can in fiction) he can command the sea level to rise immensely and have kratos drown........GoW games are stupid when it comes to portraying the Greek gods. GoW gods are like ants compared to the actual fictional gods. All the gods are immortals so how can kratos kill one to begin with is a mystery. There are no such thing as Pandora's box=god killing power in the real Greek myth. It contained all human emotions, including guilt, hate, love, hope etc. and Pandora was the first human being on the planet according to the Greek myth. Also there are no such thing as the blade of olympus thats another thing the writes pulled out of their ***.

read what pandora's box actually is:http://www.greekmyths-greekmythology.com/pandoras-box-myth/

So can raiden beat kratos? sure pretty easily too...it all depends on the writer.


Everybody knows that GoW doesn't follow Greek mythology properly. The idea of the games is to take the Gods and Myths and do something unexepcted with them. GoW wouldn't be as popular if it just followed the same old stories that people know. It's entertaining because it's a peculiar twist on the myths.

Yes Poseidon could rise the sea level to try and drown Kratos, but he wouldn't even if he could. His actions would kill millions around the world, which would bring negative feelings towards the Gods from Mortals. People would enitrely lose faith in the Gods, probably even hate them for their actions, and completely cease any worship. Use your common sense. The Gods wouldn't have many Mortal to rule if they killed them all within the Chaos and destruction caused through their killing of Kratos.

Being a God of something doesn't exactly mean you have complete control over that thing. Sure Poseidon can make Tidal Waves and Ocean storms with his rage, but there is no evidence to believe that he could do something really manipulative like turning a volume of water into the form of a sword or increasing the density of water.
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#55Cypher0120Posted 3/31/2011 2:05:27 PM
rockman171 posted...
But that's the problem, there are so many barriers between universes that comparisons cease to be relevant. If we compare the feats of one person in their own world to the feats of another in their own world, than what's stopping me from saying that I'm more powerful than the entire Marvel universe because I can rip the comics in half? There isn't, because I've quite literally now torn apart the entire marvel-verse without even breaking a sweat.

You're missing the point though. Those listed aren't barriers for comparisons, just the various flaws other people try to use in making comparisons. Discussing who would win in cross-universe battles you can almost always split their abilities into:

Strength
Destructive Capacity
Endurance/Tanking Capacity
Speed
Extra abilities

People usually go overboard with the last one, adding in things that are irrelevant to how a fight would actually go from there. Example: Kratos' power of hope.

Of course there are other people who just blatantly ignore certain aspects of the character and pretend they're not relevant at all. Example: The Power Cosmic

If a character has shown better feats than another character and no other extra abilities of the other character is enough to bridge that gap significantly, then logically, the first character would win.

It's not hard to compare who would win in a fictional fight if one uses the actual abilities they performed as a reference instead of abilities they've never shown but people feel they 'should have.'
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#56Dragunov_4_everPosted 3/31/2011 2:09:08 PM

From: EternaLyricis01 | #052
This matchup I assume is GOW3 Kratos VS MK9 Raiden - Kratos exists outside of the MK9 storyline, thus Raiden has no restrictions on his power - combine that with Kratos' ability to kill being reduced significantly in the MK universe because its a universe where death is commonplace and rarely permanent and....


If Kratos killed Raiden he's won the fight. The fight is over whether or not Raiden can be reborn or revived within a few days.

Since when did Raiden have restrictions on his powers? He went all out against the Deadly Alliance and the story of Deception wasn't even directly about Quan Chi or Shang Tsung, so it's not like they had plot bias. Raiden has NEVER shown an impressive feat with his lightning whilst in combat. Not against any being and not even any signifcant damage to his surroundings. His suicide God-bomb hardly counts in this argument because there's no time to pull off something like that in a straight up fight.
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#57gunslinger20Posted 3/31/2011 2:28:53 PM(edited)
exactly my point....but i could write the story in a way Poseidon can do w/e he wants and he can drown just like kratos can kill those gods like nothing lol....see my point. Kratos=wet dream of some writers. Hell i can make a lone soldier kill kratos if i want in the story and make him the strongest being ever. You cannot do these so called vs between fictional characters. I could make a game about raiden where he has godlike powers and killing anything in sight.

Also i believe Poseidon would drown mortals if he has to for this own safety...which again won't be necessary because they cant die to begin with. Gods weren't very fond of humans. As a matter of fact humans were created in the Greek myth because of the titan Prometheus who then was eternally punished because of this by zeus....
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#58NeonivekPosted 3/31/2011 2:23:14 PM
"Since when did Raiden have restrictions on his powers?"

It was given to Raiden to limit his influence.

I believe he only has godlike power in Earthrealm (or outrealm I forget)

Hense why he cannot simply fry Shao Kahn and had to find warriors.
#59Dragunov_4_everPosted 3/31/2011 2:25:04 PM
Neonivek posted...
"Since when did Raiden have restrictions on his powers?"

It was given to Raiden to limit his influence.

I believe he only has godlike power in Earthrealm (or outrealm I forget)

Hense why he cannot simply fry Shao Kahn and had to find warriors.


Well I assumed that Kratos would be fighting Raiden at full power anyway.
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#60rockman171Posted 3/31/2011 2:26:55 PM

From: Cypher0120 | Posted: 3/31/2011 5:05:27 PM | #055
rockman171 posted...
But that's the problem, there are so many barriers between universes that comparisons cease to be relevant. If we compare the feats of one person in their own world to the feats of another in their own world, than what's stopping me from saying that I'm more powerful than the entire Marvel universe because I can rip the comics in half? There isn't, because I've quite literally now torn apart the entire marvel-verse without even breaking a sweat.

You're missing the point though. Those listed aren't barriers for comparisons, just the various flaws other people try to use in making comparisons. Discussing who would win in cross-universe battles you can almost always split their abilities into:

Strength
Destructive Capacity
Endurance/Tanking Capacity
Speed
Extra abilities

People usually go overboard with the last one, adding in things that are irrelevant to how a fight would actually go from there. Example: Kratos' power of hope.

Of course there are other people who just blatantly ignore certain aspects of the character and pretend they're not relevant at all. Example: The Power Cosmic

If a character has shown better feats than another character and no other extra abilities of the other character is enough to bridge that gap significantly, then logically, the first character would win.

It's not hard to compare who would win in a fictional fight if one uses the actual abilities they performed as a reference instead of abilities they've never shown but people feel they 'should have.'


I get what you're saying, but it's still really hard to compare these things without actual measurements of power. We're not told that the Gods in God of War are of the same supposed "strength level" as the Gods in Mortal Kombat. If we were given some sort of numerical comparison (ie. Kratos is strong enough to lift a 10 ton boulder while Raiden can only lift an 8 ton boulder) than it would be a different story, at least when referring to physical strength from my example. But saying things like "Kratos takes hits from Titans and Raiden can't even beat Onaga" is irrelevant. We don't know how powerful these beings are unless they are from the same setting. How do we know that Onaga wouldn't wipe the floor with Kratos without them ever actually fighting? We don't, and that's my problem with these kinds of topics.
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